[FM23][SKIN] The Annual Show Your Skin thread

[01revenge]

On 29/03/2023 at 08:50, GIMN said:

I've been reworking the player profile for what feels like the longest time ever!  I'm sure there's people who even think I'm just reuploading the same images!  But...I've now got statistic led archetypes/badges.  12 in total, based loosely on The Athletic's 18 archetypes (https://theathletic.com/3473297/2022/08/10/player-roles-the-athletic/ - it is paywalled ) to appear at the top of the profile if a player meets the criteria - more attacking to the right, more defensive to the left.  Managed to rework just general total/stats too so that I can decrease the size of the container with the pizza chart in it (based loosely on The Athletic's subsidiary, Tifo Football).

Now that I've got hints working the way I want them to, I need to resist the urge to annotate everything!

this is amazing keep u the great stuff man wow 

[TCSSkin]

 Introducing The AthleTCS

Obviously a @GIMN name

[GIMN]

2 hours ago, bluestillidie00 said:

 Introducing The AthleTCS

Obviously a @GIMN name

Looks amazing.  Now you just need to add a popup that puts the rest of the game behind a paywall, so no-one can read the articles!

[GIMN]

I'm finally posting an update that isn't a player profile!  I've finally finished another thing nobody has ever asked for: A news page with features.  

Links have been added for tactic recreations, guides, magazines and blogs - which I'll look to change every time I update the skin.  Part of my overall goal of trying to use the skin to highlight more of the awesome work in the wider community, and also hopefully quite helpful, too.  If you hit a sudden malaise during your save, there are resources right at your fingertips that might help you turn things around.  Or confuse you more.

And a slightly smaller change.  With the impending death of Twitter, we need a new Social Media site.  Even better if it can incorporate some kind of skin-name based pun.  Introducing the legally distinct Muster-don:

[GIMN]

Another panel refreshed - The Club Overview page.  Arguably where this weird obsession with vertical scrolling began.  Scaled back on the use of primary colours, and brought it more in line with rest of the skin.

And as per usual, a completely useless feature added in for good measure.  A carousel to rotate between results and upcoming fixtures:

[GIMN]

Feels like I'm just spamming this thread now, but Club Vision has now been reworked.  Not quite as slick as the Club Info page, but been able to create some custom pop-ups for the Informational and Actionable objectives, and supporter expectations:

And because I can't ever consider it work done without something absolutely unnecessary.  There's a little animation on the timeline, too:

[GIMN]

Looking for opinions here - how do people feel about animations?  Added it to the pizza chart, as I think it gives it a bit more life and helps draw attention to it, but will it become annoying as you switch through players?

[lukavski]

I really like the idea!

Jumping from player to player feels like playing on monotonous spreadsheets, the animation gives depht to the player profile.

 

Awesome work, GIMN! It looks amazing too.

[lukavski]

Sorry, double post.

Edited April 6, 2023 by lukavski
Double Post

[Olas Nick]

7 hours ago, GIMN said:

Looking for opinions here - how do people feel about animations?  Added it to the pizza chart, as I think it gives it a bit more life and helps draw attention to it, but will it become annoying as you switch through players?

I think it's beautiful, but not suitable for everyday use.

[TCSSkin]

10 hours ago, GIMN said:

Looking for opinions here - how do people feel about animations?  Added it to the pizza chart, as I think it gives it a bit more life and helps draw attention to it, but will it become annoying as you switch through players?

feel like it's too much for a popup, maybe have them all expand at once, then keep this for the player overview?

[Tyburn]

12 hours ago, GIMN said:

Looking for opinions here - how do people feel about animations?  Added it to the pizza chart, as I think it gives it a bit more life and helps draw attention to it, but will it become annoying as you switch through players?

This is superb. Animations are great imo. If you can increase this speed I’d say this would be excellent. For screens that are accessed a lot, perhaps it could be a bit much, although increasing the speed would negate that. For screens accessed every now and then I’d say animations work really well. I have expanded on the animations used on matchday in my personal skin and it’s really immersive.

[GIMN]

12 hours ago, lukavski said:

I really like the idea!

Jumping from player to player feels like playing on monotonous spreadsheets, the animation gives depht to the player profile.

 

Awesome work, GIMN! It looks amazing too.

7 hours ago, Olas Nick said:

I think it's beautiful, but not suitable for everyday use.

3 hours ago, bluestillidie00 said:

feel like it's too much for a popup, maybe have them all expand at once, then keep this for the player overview?

2 hours ago, Tyburn said:

This is superb. Animations are great imo. If you can increase this speed I’d say this would be excellent. For screens that are accessed a lot, perhaps it could be a bit much, although increasing the speed would negate that. For screens accessed every now and then I’d say animations work really well. I have expanded on the animations used on matchday in my personal skin and it’s really immersive.

Thanks for the feedback.  I've taken it off the popup, so it is just inside the main profile now, and animations have been sped up - total time for the animations to complete is 0.9 seconds, down from 1.6.  Definitely looks a lot crisper.

[JustHowie]

Nothing like what you guys manage to put together... definitely in the sense I didn't start from scratch, I asked for help from alot of people and stuff I couldn't do I ripped from other creators (Ben, GIMN, Wozzie, bluestillidie,OPZ and others) barring the match day buttons not sticking to the plan I think I will finally try and enjoy the game a little  I'm happy with my first time at skin altering. Thank you to the community for helping me with this project.

 

Edit: more changes incoming

I won't be releasing this as it is not my own work it is based of the hard work of others with adjustments to suit what I wanted.

 

Edited April 10, 2023 by JustHowie
Not releasing added to thanks section

[ThanatosAFC]

1 hour ago, JustHowie said:

Nothing like what you guys manage to put together... definitely in the sense I didn't start from scratch, I asked for help from alot of people and stuff I couldn't do I ripped from other creators (Ben, GIMN, Wozzie, OPZ and others) barring the match day buttons not sticking to the plan I think I will finally try and enjoy the game a little  I'm happy with my first time at skin altering. Thank you to the community for helping me with this project.

Impressive tho! 

[kimmanzambi01]

11 hours ago, JustHowie said:

Nothing like what you guys manage to put together... definitely in the sense I didn't start from scratch, I asked for help from alot of people and stuff I couldn't do I ripped from other creators (Ben, GIMN, Wozzie, OPZ and others) barring the match day buttons not sticking to the plan I think I will finally try and enjoy the game a little  I'm happy with my first time at skin altering. Thank you to the community for helping me with this project.

this looks great...please share the skin

[Domoboy23]

On 08/04/2023 at 20:47, JustHowie said:

Nothing like what you guys manage to put together... definitely in the sense I didn't start from scratch, I asked for help from alot of people and stuff I couldn't do I ripped from other creators (Ben, GIMN, Wozzie, OPZ and others) barring the match day buttons not sticking to the plan I think I will finally try and enjoy the game a little  I'm happy with my first time at skin altering. Thank you to the community for helping me with this project.

This looks incredible.

If you could share I'd be incredibly grateful

[_Ben_]

Big drop of screenshots here as I've been working on my skin today. For those unaware, I've created two completely separate panels for the Player Overview Panel - one for a player at your club and one for those not at your club.

Human Player:

This is the landing screen - reworked to hopefully work much better at lower resolutions.

Then you can dig into the pizza chart, made by the wonderful @GIMN:

And my own take on those metrics, in the style of FBREF:

This bit is still a WIP but then you can see a bit about the personal info:

 

Non-human managed player:

This is the landing screen with the purpose that you're never going to know everything about a player before you sign them:

You are only informed of a player's statistical output if they are above the 75th percentile (blue) or 90th percentile (gold) and you only can see a handful of their attributes, set out in a slightly comparative way. Then plan is that I can then get an analyst report to uncover these hidden details about him:

 

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Would love some feedback on this and where to take it next!

[kimmanzambi01]

38 minutes ago, _Ben_ said:

Big drop of screenshots here as I've been working on my skin today. For those unaware, I've created two completely separate panels for the Player Overview Panel - one for a player at your club and one for those not at your club.

Human Player:

This is the landing screen - reworked to hopefully work much better at lower resolutions.

Then you can dig into the pizza chart, made by the wonderful @GIMN:

And my own take on those metrics, in the style of FBREF:

This bit is still a WIP but then you can see a bit about the personal info:

 

Non-human managed player:

This is the landing screen with the purpose that you're never going to know everything about a player before you sign them:

You are only informed of a player's statistical output if they are above the 75th percentile (blue) or 90th percentile (gold) and you only can see a handful of their attributes, set out in a slightly comparative way. Then plan is that I can then get an analyst report to uncover these hidden details about him:

 

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Would love some feedback on this and where to take it next!

great work mate. but can you make a version with numbered attributes. im not a fan of the hidden stats. 

[_Ben_]

6 minutes ago, kimmanzambi01 said:

great work mate. but can you make a version with numbered attributes. im not a fan of the hidden stats. 

No. I'm not going to make a whole new skin just for you because you don't like the way I have built hundreds of new classes to display attributes. In the meantime though, you can use this selector:

Then, you can explore person properties.xml and remove all of the different classes for each attribute and return it to numbers everywhere.

[KillYourIdols]

13 hours ago, _Ben_ said:

No. I'm not going to make a whole new skin just for you because you don't like the way I have built hundreds of new classes to display attributes.

 

Cheers, Son's crying. Nice one

[_Ben_]

Thanks, like so many more times, to @GIMN for teaching me something new. I now have animated icon buttons to replace some of the 'double tabbed' containers:

[_Ben_]

Just finished re-developing the training pages. I wanted a landing page for individuals, so made one purposely very vague, looking at the overall stuff:

There is a linked title there to take you then to the individual training and progress panel, which looks like this:

[GIMN]

Despite promising myself I'd take a rest from skinning for a little while, I've already succumbed to the itch and decided to give the Squad Planner -> Reports -> Stats page a little bit of love:

[JamieTC13]

On 30/03/2023 at 16:00, niklas88 said:

Hi.
This will be a long post, a trip down memory lane...
Here is my failed attempt at replicating Football Manager 2006.
I played CM01/02 and FM 2005 over at my friends house, and a lot of other manager games before and in between, but 2006 was my first version FM.
I have always looked for and wanted to play with a Football Manager 2006 inspired skin, ideally a copy of the original 
1 year ago I was home sick for two weeks due to covid.
I decided I had some time to try and learn skinning but my ambition to replicate FM06 turned out, in the end, to be too hard for me.
I spent an entire week copying and adapting the original graphics, so every icon, star, flag, font, box, button etc. is the original graphics from 2006.
Note, I played with the 2006 Metallic skin back then, can't remember if that was the default or an alternative.

In the end I realised that using original custom buttons and graphics was too complicated for me, it just looked strange in a lot of menus and windows.
After a while I started again for FM23 but I just feel i don't have the time nor the skill to ever finish it. 
Some screens and buttons are hard coded and it gets really frustrating when you hit a wall  
Anyway here some pictures from FM22 and 23.

FM22 Main Menu

 

FM22 Squad View

FM23 Squad View, this is where I am right now
I would like to remove the shadow on the sidebar but then the standard tables(where the playes are listed in this screen) doesn't look as good.
Some things I haven't figured out in this picture:
The tab bar buttons have the wrong colour, I can't find which one or where to edit.
The status buttons have the wrong font but I haven't yet checked all the files from 22, where it works as it should.
@Loda, when I compare to your skin, I realise I have the wrong tab bar image, strange since I have the right one in the main menu.
I suspect I had trouble moving the items on the tab bar 
I also made som changes to the star ratings, the stars are the stars from 2006 but it was not displayed in the same way in 06.
I removed and/or combined the half stars and unknown stars so now it's more vague 

When I think of FM2006, I think of the font, the colours, my Cardiff team and the original facepack, I can still see the pictures of the players in my head.
I particularly liked a facepack for Southampton(I think it was downloaded), where Walcott played, that looked like this:

So, as a bonus, I can show one more thing that took me MONTHS to complete.
I used the cut-out megapack and inserted the same background and border for all 400k+ pictures.
So here he is, 17 years later...

regards Niklas

This is class, i well like this. Good job mate

[_Ben_]

Remade the Training Unit panel because, well, why not!

[lugui]

Em 18/04/2023 em 18:06, _Ben_ disse:

Remade the Training Unit panel because, well, why not!

 

Very inspiring. I saw your panel and tried to improve mine a little.  If I may ask, how did you manage to place the 3 frames/units in such horizontal sequence/layout?

I don't count on a lot of space or resolution, but I would like to try something similar.

Edited April 20, 2023 by lugui

[_Ben_]

3 hours ago, lugui said:

 

Very inspiring. I saw your panel and tried to improve mine a little.  If I may ask, how did you manage to place the 3 frames/units in such horizontal sequence/layout?

I don't count on a lot of space or resolution, but I would like to try something similar.

 

The centred approach can be achieved with the horizontal_alignment="middle" control.

I often put containers on the outside with a default_width="-1" to ensure that there is still a spacer around the edge.

This one was a pretty simple job as I was able to create the three panels and then just drop these containers inside of it.

Trying to get better at tidying my coding up but welcome to have a look! It's in the newest release of my skin.

team training units panel.xml

[hyrule_king]

Club colours skin I have been working on, nothing that spectacular. Just need to sort out the text colour , as when the club colours are white it is a little difficult to read.

 

 

[ThanatosAFC]

3 hours ago, hyrule_king said:

Club colours skin I have been working on, nothing that spectacular. Just need to sort out the text colour , as when the club colours are white it is a little difficult to read.

 

 

Always looking forward to your posts, brilliant skin there.

[GIMN]

Planning ahead for FM24 now (and hoping there aren't major changes to the areas I'm working on), and got my sights on lower-resolution solutions.  Reworking the tactics screen at 1360x768:

Still work to do on the analysis popup to rescale properly at different resolutions, and I'll need to adapt things for tactical instructions at higher resolutions, as the mini-pitches go super janky.

[hyrule_king]

Update to my Coffee mashup skin. 

[hyrule_king]

On 25/04/2023 at 18:51, hyrule_king said:

Club colours skin I have been working on, nothing that spectacular. Just need to sort out the text colour , as when the club colours are white it is a little difficult to read.

 

 

bit easier to read.

[TCSSkin]

some previews of a new project 

[johnwalker]

19 minutes ago, bluestillidie00 said:

some previews of a new project 

The blend of the side bar into the title and tab bar looks nice.

Think it's one of those things that can immediately smarten up a skin when that's done really nicely.

That's what I tell myself since I changed my own title bar and tab bar 

[RussoTuristo]

1 hour ago, bluestillidie00 said:

some previews of a new project

Is it FM23 or FM17?

[João14]

On 26/04/2023 at 17:12, GIMN said:

Planning ahead for FM24 now (and hoping there aren't major changes to the areas I'm working on), and got my sights on lower-resolution solutions.  Reworking the tactics screen at 1360x768:

Still work to do on the analysis popup to rescale properly at different resolutions, and I'll need to adapt things for tactical instructions at higher resolutions, as the mini-pitches go super janky.

If you need help testing it out, I'd be more than happy as I'm playing right now on my SteamDeck + Mac (with your skin and much zoom out :D) which both render at a low resolution

[GIMN]

3 minutes ago, João14 said:

If you need help testing it out, I'd be more than happy as I'm playing right now on my SteamDeck + Mac (with your skin and much zoom out :D) which both render at a low resolution

Thank you very much.  I'd definitely be keen to see whether it works on SteamDeck.  The 1200x800 resolution is below the lowest I've built for, but should work at 85% zoom if my maths is right (which it probably isn't).

[João14]

16 minutes ago, GIMN said:

Thank you very much.  I'd definitely be keen to see whether it works on SteamDeck.  The 1200x800 resolution is below the lowest I've built for, but should work at 85% zoom if my maths is right (which it probably isn't).

The original skin itself it's a little clunky so I reworked a bit and as I sometimes play it on my Mac I set up a more space up resolution then lower the zoom and the skin works as expected tbf. On the steam deck its a little more tricky, I can mess around with the .xml of the preferences and change zoom out a bit to the old 75% but that's only for when I'm playing on the couch during the day because during the night it gets really uncomfortable reading hahaha, other than that, I think that a 1360x768 with or without zoom would be able to do just as good  

Looking forward to it as I'm finding your skin and Ben's the pair I love for this year's game, just a bit harsh to use it on my devices but I'll compromise haha.

Keep up the good work boys, you do wonders for our community! Cheers

[Drakestone]

[Drakestone]

13 hours ago, bluestillidie00 said:

some previews of a new project 

Quite literally the only thing I dont like about that beauty is the top right corner, just looks out of place. Very harsh lines and contrast whereas the rest of the design is very soft and curved. Top work, i've always liked skins that are less boxy looking (I was a Turnstyle user lmao)

[MattyEssTTV]

On 28/04/2023 at 12:40, Drakestone said:

Always love the colour. 

[_Ben_]

Trying to work on being thematic across my skin and also making it useable for 1920x1080 at 100% zoom and 85% zoom, something which I didn't ever really take into account because I play on 85%. All of the screenshots are taken at 100% to showcase that they fit. The theme is quite simple across the non-human panels and that is information at the top and bottom, sometimes in the form of links and buttons and then three panels of info centrally - split to showcase the most important in the middle. I'm adding some amination to flow through certain panels to get more in as a difference to just tabbed and on pages that are somewhat of an overview in nature.

 

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The last one is, as you can see, a WIP, but you get the point! Would love some feedback on anything here though...

[snowofman]

8 minutes ago, _Ben_ said:

Trying to work on being thematic across my skin and also making it useable for 1920x1080 at 100% zoom and 85% zoom, something which I didn't ever really take into account because I play on 85%. All of the screenshots are taken at 100% to showcase that they fit. The theme is quite simple across the non-human panels and that is information at the top and bottom, sometimes in the form of links and buttons and then three panels of info centrally - split to showcase the most important in the middle. I'm adding some amination to flow through certain panels to get more in as a difference to just tabbed and on pages that are somewhat of an overview in nature.

 

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The last one is, as you can see, a WIP, but you get the point! Would love some feedback on anything here though...

I like the setup of the pages, similar on them all is nice.
tho i'm personaly not a fan of rotating information, but i am aware it's a me thing and alot find it nice (just had to mention it)
also on the 2nd last picture, it's bugging me how "next match" are on the line, looks wrong somehow.. can't remember if it's the same in the OPZ skin, as it looks close to eachother

But overall, it's a lovely work. 

[_Ben_]

8 minutes ago, snowofman said:

also on the 2nd last picture, it's bugging me how "next match" are on the line, looks wrong somehow.. can't remember if it's the same in the OPZ skin, as it looks close to eachother

It's the (lack of) relative sizing that is doing that, because it fits nicely on the 85% zoom:

9 minutes ago, snowofman said:

tho i'm personaly not a fan of rotating information, but i am aware it's a me thing and alot find it nice (just had to mention it)

I'm not, really, but I have quite a lot of info I want to get onto these landing pages and, until I go back and get the icon buttons working as I have on the player profile, I needed an option that wasn't a tab or a selector. I certainly think it'll stay on the kits but maybe go on the manager/key players part of the club overview panel.

[snowofman]

3 minutes ago, _Ben_ said:

It's the (lack of) relative sizing that is doing that, because it fits nicely on the 85% zoom:

I'm not, really, but I have quite a lot of info I want to get onto these landing pages and, until I go back and get the icon buttons working as I have on the player profile, I needed an option that wasn't a tab or a selector. I certainly think it'll stay on the kits but maybe go on the manager/key players part of the club overview panel.

yeah i thought it was something lke that, but would have been wrong of me not to mention it as you asked for feedback and i couldnt be 100% sure
and it's always the issue with lack of space and as most want the skin to be usable for as many resolutions and zooms as possible, the lack of space will be a issue at some point. But as said, alot of ppl don't mind rotating information and it's not possible to make everyone happy

But in the end it's important to make things so you're happy with it and can enjoy playing FM with what you've made, keep up the excellent work.

[Olas Nick]

1 hour ago, _Ben_ said:

Trying to work on being thematic across my skin and also making it useable for 1920x1080 at 100% zoom and 85% zoom, something which I didn't ever really take into account because I play on 85%. All of the screenshots are taken at 100% to showcase that they fit. The theme is quite simple across the non-human panels and that is information at the top and bottom, sometimes in the form of links and buttons and then three panels of info centrally - split to showcase the most important in the middle. I'm adding some amination to flow through certain panels to get more in as a difference to just tabbed and on pages that are somewhat of an overview in nature.

I'm interested rejection from the city pics container. guaranteed, one of the first questions of users will be "how do I add a photo of the city?"
and in my opinion rotation of information in the container is bad.

[_Ben_]

11 minutes ago, Olas Nick said:

I'm interested rejection from the city pics container. guaranteed, one of the first questions of users will be "how do I add a photo of the city?"
and in my opinion rotation of information in the container is bad.

I’ve never used city pics and have never been overly bothered because the pack is unlikely to have more than 5% of the total cities in the world and I don’t really like the blank space/generic ‘no city’ image. 

Ok - so I’ve explained that, in future, there’ll be icon buttons to toggle between the two/three bits that rotate. What would you do if that was your skin?

[Olas Nick]

9 minutes ago, _Ben_ said:

What would you do if that was your skin?

I try to follow 2 rules - no duplication of information on the page and the fastest possible access to data. instead of an animation I would make a container with tabs

[_Ben_]

4 hours ago, Olas Nick said:

I try to follow 2 rules - no duplication of information on the page and the fastest possible access to data. instead of an animation I would make a container with tabs

Appreciate the feedback. I use these icon links in the player profile and will, at some point, be building them into these kind of panels because I want to try something other than tabs!