Barry Cartman Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) Pickford Walker Stones Maguire Trent Shaw Phillips Rice Saka/Foden Kane Sterling Thats what we're getting and its going to be depressing as **** Edited November 10, 2022 by Barry Cartman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 How many minutes do we reckon Maddison will get? I'm gonna go under 20 total. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) Seems pretty much the right squad, other than Phillips which is a bit of a joke. Trent very lucky that James is injured. Edited November 10, 2022 by Harryseaess Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said: Pickford Walker Stones Maguire Trent Shaw Phillips Rice Saka/Foden Kane Sterling Thats what we're getting and its going to be depressing as **** Surely no chance Phillips starts over Bellingham. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Baptista_8 said: How many minutes do we reckon Maddison will get? I'm gonna go under 20 total. I reckon at least 20 minutes a game of Lee Dixon telling us on commentary how England need to get Maddison on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Mings > Dier and Maguire (no bias, just facts) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Harryseaess said: Seems pretty much the right squad, other than Phillips which is a bit of a joke. Trent very lucky that James is injured. Who would you replace Phillips with though? I get he's been injured, but he's been a key player for the last couple of years, I've no idea why people think he shouldn't be going. His injury has been with his shoulder as well so he's been doing plenty of no-contact training so it's not like he's been sat on his arse the whole time either. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodriYouPlonker Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Cant wait for the pundits excuse of "he has to play a deep back 5 because the defenders aren't good enough or quick enough" even though he's left Tomori at home Tomori, Stones and White are all capable of playing as CBs in a back 4 with a high line but instead we will get this folly Its going to be even more turgid than normal SouthgateBall because its SouthgateBall in 40 degree heat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Harryseaess said: Surely no chance Phillips starts over Bellingham. Maybe not the first game, but after Bellingham has no impact because of how negative Southgate is, Phillips will come on and play well, then replace him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Pukey said: Who would you replace Phillips with though? I get he's been injured, but he's been a key player for the last couple of years, I've no idea why people think he shouldn't be going. His injury has been with his shoulder as well so he's been doing plenty of no-contact training so it's not like he's been sat on his arse the whole time either. Ward-Prowse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Gallagher is the bigger joke, 7 starts this season from 19 games, remember when Gareth left players out because of lack of game time 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said: Gallagher is the bigger joke, 7 starts this season from 19 games, remember when Gareth left players out because of lack of game time He’s not even good. Should’ve had Joe Willock or Sean Longstaff in there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said: Gallagher is the bigger joke, 7 starts this season from 19 games, remember when Gareth left players out because of lack of game time I'd have taken Jacob Ramsey as a wildcard 👀 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Gareth doesn't think Tomori has done enough in his 1 start he was given to push others out Winning Serie A with Milan doesn't seem to count 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Like I said in 2nd post in this thread. This 26 man squad means you can take everyone. No way Phillips gets in if 23 man squad but with 26 then obviously if he is semi fit. It's all well and good saying so & so shouldn't be in squad but there is hardly anyone else. Not like we are leaving behind a bunch of world class game changing talent. At a push you could say Tomori could be in for someone. But really that's it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Harryseaess said: Ward-Prowse. Based off what, though? If you bring him instead of Phillips and Rice gets injured/suspended you leave yourself with no proper DM option at all, it's absolute insanity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 If Nigeria had any semblance of organisation, they would approach Fikayo and Tammy about switching allegiance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Pukey said: Based off what, though? If you bring him instead of Phillips and Rice gets injured/suspended you leave yourself with no proper DM option at all, it's absolute insanity. Based off actually playing for one. Plus his ability from a set piece. Instead Southgate is relying on a player that has hardly been fit all season. He has Henderson there if needed to fill in for Rice. Edited November 10, 2022 by Harryseaess Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Barry Cartman said: Gareth doesn't think Tomori has done enough in his 1 start he was given to push others out Winning Serie A with Milan doesn't seem to count Southgate talking absolute bollocks regarding selections, that he himself clearly doesn't even believe? What a shocker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Icondacarver said: If Nigeria had any semblance of organisation, they would approach Fikayo and Tammy about switching allegiance. Both played competive games though I think. Unless the rules changed again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Baptista_8 said: Southgate talking absolute bollocks regarding selections, that he himself clearly doesn't even believe? What a shocker. Don’t know if he’s actually retired from England but if he wanted to have an older head at CB then Smalling should have been in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Or Phil Jones, could replace JWP's set piece ability as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Tammy not in because of poor form Once again picking and choosing who he applies stuff to 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kopsy101 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Harryseaess said: Based off actually playing for one. Plus his ability from a set piece. Instead Southgate is relying on a player that has hardly been fit all season. He has Henderson there if needed to fill in for Rice. Trippier and Trent can cover set pieces pretty well...We've all seen them both play, set pieces aside, Phillips is considerably better isn't he Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Glad no Mings as he's awful but I don't rate Dier at all. Maguire I guess you could say was inevitable but Tomori had to go surely. Rest is fair enough really given injuries and form. Toney/Tammy maybe unlucky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 22 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said: Pickford Walker Stones Maguire Trent Shaw Phillips Rice Saka/Foden Kane Sterling Thats what we're getting and its going to be depressing as **** Trippier at RWB is much more trusted by Gareth 12 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said: Gallagher is the bigger joke, 7 starts this season from 19 games, remember when Gareth left players out because of lack of game time He hasn't even played well for England. But I don't know who would be a better option tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Also if you want a scorer then Wilson is the in form option over Abraham. If Kane gets injured I think Wislon will look a bit like Immobile against a decent defence, clearly a step down from the rest of the forward line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Harryseaess said: Based off actually playing for one. Plus his ability from a set piece. Instead Southgate is relying on a player that has hardly been fit all season. His ability from a set piece that he'd never show because he'll never get on the pitch? I completely understand his lack of minutes is a definite issue and he shouldn't be starting, but there was never any chance Southgate was going to drop a player as important to the last few years as Phillips if he has a chance of playing a decent amount of minutes, and as mentioned given the nature of his injury he's not playing catch up in the exact same way as a player who's had an injury that means they can't run (though clearly he's still behind) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robokid87 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) Gallagher as a specialist to come on and press like mad for 20 minutes has a certain amount of logic to it but it's still a surprise to see him get the call up, not least because RLC is better, more tested and more versatile playing in the same midfield. Only taking one proper centre forward as backup who plays in a totally different way to Kane and is notoriously made of glass is a bit of a concern though. Edited November 10, 2022 by Robokid87 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Just now, The_jagster said: Also if you want a scorer then Wilson is the in form option over Abraham. If Kane gets injured I think Wislon will look a bit like Immobile against a decent defence, clearly a step down from the rest of the forward line. I'm not disagreeing with his reason for not taking Tammy, but he pick and chooses his answers as to why he doesn't pick certain players, but doesn't apply the same reason to others, he's done this throughout his time as England manager. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 JWP is a quarterback who will never make the pitch except maybe for a shootout, waste of a seat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said: Tammy not in because of poor form Once again picking and choosing who he applies stuff to Yeah, Abraham definitely fell off this season and isn't a class striker, so the form take is justified. But then as you say, he has completely different criteria for different players. 1 minute ago, The_jagster said: Also if you want a scorer then Wilson is the in form option over Abraham. If Kane gets injured I think Wislon will look a bit like Immobile against a decent defence, clearly a step down from the rest of the forward line. Why exactly did he take 6 wingers, but only 2 strikers? Doesn't make sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Robokid87 said: Gallagher as a specialist to come on and press like mad for 20 minutes has a certain amount of logic to it but it's still a surprise to see him get the call up, not least because RLC is better, more tested and more versatile playing in the same midfield. Can't be relied on to stay fit for 20 minutes tbf, but plenty you could say that about in the squad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthrax Dave Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 So what the heck happens if 2 or 3 of the players suffer hamstring or concussion injuries this weekend? Are we allowed to call up replacements? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahzun_Savas Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Just now, Anthrax Dave said: So what the heck happens if 2 or 3 of the players suffer hamstring or concussion injuries this weekend? Are we allowed to call up replacements? Injured players are allowed to be replaced until 24 hours before the teams first game. So if Harry Kane breaks a leg you can replace him with either Abraham or Toney 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIR17 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Yes! Maddison! So deserved. Only 4th Leicester player to be at a WC for England after Gordon Banks (1966), Jamie Vardy (2018) and Harry Maguire (2018) 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 As always arguing over players who make up the final few places in the squad largely quite pointless. JWP can't take free kicks from the bench and Abraham can't score goals from there either 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 13 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said: Tammy not in because of poor form Once again picking and choosing who he applies stuff to Just came to post this. Laughable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robokid87 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Haguey said: Can't be relied on to stay fit for 20 minutes tbf, but plenty you could say that about in the squad 40 games last season and hasn't missed any so far this, so hopefully those days are behind him. Still hasn't kicked on to the real world class level we thought he might get to but I think it's gone under the radar just how good he actually is. Far from an outrage that he's not there though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Barry Cartman said: I'm not disagreeing with his reason for not taking Tammy, but he pick and chooses his answers as to why he doesn't pick certain players, but doesn't apply the same reason to others, he's done this throughout his time as England manager. Because when it comes to Tammy vs Wilson it's purely down to form. Neither set world alight for England in games they have played, and they are probably not gonna play anyway. So go with most inform. But certain situations you have to weigh up form vs other things. That's what he's done with Maguire and Philips. Maguire is the big call and Southgate's job will probably depend on whether he performs. Ala Sterling last Euros 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said: Yeah, Abraham definitely fell off this season and isn't a class striker, so the form take is justified. But then as you say, he has completely different criteria for different players. Why exactly did he take 6 wingers, but only 2 strikers? Doesn't make sense. Rashford will be the third striking option. But come on, we know Kane will play every minute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 I live for Maguire doing something to send England out. Tomori should obviously be there ahead of both Maguire (never going to happen) and Coady. I take the point though that if Coady would never play and Tomori would (wrongly) never play then might as well take banter merchant Coady. England have such a massively unlikeable squad outside of Rashford and Saka. Saw a good twitter thread today about how scummy so many of them are Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martynlcfc Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 32 minutes ago, MIR17 said: Yes! Maddison! So deserved. Only 4th Leicester player to be at a WC for England after Gordon Banks (1966), Jamie Vardy (2018) and Harry Maguire (2018) Reckon JJ would have had a real shot as well given Southgate referenced losing 2 left backs to injuries. Such a shame he has another terrible injury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Is Walker actually fit? He's not played for ages and might not play at all before the World Cup. Feels like that's a big call Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Sandman Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Dier doing what he did vs Liverpool in a last 16 match would be quite funny to watch. Cba to analyse who are those that have missed that it's harsh on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIR17 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 42 minutes ago, martynlcfc said: Reckon JJ would have had a real shot as well given Southgate referenced losing 2 left backs to injuries. Such a shame he has another terrible injury. I don’t think Justin would’ve deserve it though in all honesty. I don’t think he’s been that great since return from his lengthy injury Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkSport Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Astafjevs said: Is Walker actually fit? He's not played for ages and might not play at all before the World Cup. Feels like that's a big call Suppose to be back on the bench this weekend I think. EIther way, I'm sure he's back training, but means come World Cup he's not really played a full game since start of September. Edit: Just looked, and Southgate said he's not back training yet but could make it back before end of Groups So basically called up for the 3-4-3/3-5-2 knockout games. Edited November 10, 2022 by pearcey_90 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted November 10, 2022 Author Share Posted November 10, 2022 42 minutes ago, Citizen Kane said: Cba to analyse who are those that have missed that it's harsh on? Dele Alli, Ross Barkley, Ryan Bertrand, Nathaniel Clyne, Joe Hart, Danny Welbeck, Ashley Young, Phil Jones, Michael Keane, Theo Walcott, Ruben Loftus-Cheek, Danny Rose, Jesse Lingard, Jack Butland. These lads have all proved they can do a job for England before, yet he insists on just picking the same old favourites. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Baptista_8 said: Mings > Dier and Maguire (no bias, just facts) In terms of thuggery? Yep. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrw072 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Smallen said: Pickford Trippier White Stones Shaw Rice Bellingham Mount Saka Kane Foden Go with that. Press the **** out of everyone and hope we don't have to defend. For me the problem isn't so much the defence. It's up front. I'll be honest - I don't watch friendlies anymore - maybe highlights, but I personally don't think Kane is the same player he is for England, as he is for Spurs. He seems to play too deep. I'm just not sure where the goals are going to come from. Having said that though I think England will walk through the group and into the Quarters. Anything can happen after that I guess. I know he won't do it, but i'd have Callum Wilson in the starting X1. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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