When will si releases news from the FM 25?

[Wolf_pd]

On 27/06/2024 at 22:25, Sport Lacost said:

Has anyone said yet whether fm24 save games will transfer over to fm25?

 

On 27/06/2024 at 22:57, Mobius said:

It would be silly to introduce the transfer save feature just for 1 iteration of FM, so I assume you will be able to 

It was such a big feature in FM24 that if it would have been removed in FM25, it would have been mentioned.

So FM24 to FM25 transfers are possible.

Also, first thing I am going to try is to see if I can go from FM23 to FM24 to FM25

[kevhamster]

Just now, kiwityke1983 said:

No I'm just speculating on the speculation it's mental to think SI would do it.

Agreed.  FM's always been flexible to allow players to shape their game world how they see fit and there is no logical reason to think that will change with the introduction of the women's game.  "you will be able to seamlessly move between managing men’s and women’s teams" does not mean loading the women's leagues will be compulsory, nor indeed will loading the men's leagues be compulsory.  It just means if you choose to load both, you can manage in either.  It's not that hard to understand!

In FM terms, it's no different than moving from East Fife to Blackpool.

[Wolf_pd]

1 hour ago, kiwityke1983 said:

And if they do I wouldn't wish to be a mod when FM25 comes out because these forums will go into absolute meltdown.

We have been trained to deal with a meltdown. We will use the Oprah method, you get a ban, you get a ban, EVERYBODY gets a ban!

[XaW]

26 minutes ago, Wolf_pd said:

We have been trained to deal with a meltdown. We will use the Oprah method, you get a ban, you get a ban, EVERYBODY gets a ban!

[kiwityke1983]

1 hour ago, kevhamster said:

Agreed.  FM's always been flexible to allow players to shape their game world how they see fit and there is no logical reason to think that will change with the introduction of the women's game.  "you will be able to seamlessly move between managing men’s and women’s teams" does not mean loading the women's leagues will be compulsory, nor indeed will loading the men's leagues be compulsory.  It just means if you choose to load both, you can manage in either.  It's not that hard to understand!

In FM terms, it's no different than moving from East Fife to Blackpool.

This is exactly how I read it, you'll be able to choose to load up men's and women's leagues and they'll create one unified footballing world you can seamlessly move around in.

Not women's football will be loaded automatically whether you want it or not.

33 minutes ago, Wolf_pd said:

We have been trained to deal with a meltdown. We will use the Oprah method, you get a ban, you get a ban, EVERYBODY gets a ban!

 

4 minutes ago, XaW said:

I've got a swimming pool sized vat of popcorn on order just in case.

[Ventricity]

I feel many people's various concerns about adding womens football to FM is greatly exaggerated. It will not subtract from the normal FM development (especially in the long term) due to it will lead to more revenue and more developers working on FM. 

If I were the boss of FM I would think about it like this:

1. Adding womens football to FM is worth it simply on the basis of the increased media exposure that will come with it. FM will easily get more exposure in news outlets just because of it, and it will be free commercial exposure worth alot of money. The added exposure should lead to more income, making hiring more developers to make this feature well worth it.

2. Unity will make FM more platform agnostic, thus increasing income based on a bigger audience and more streamlined development and maintenance. 

3. Unity and womens football will create a much needed challenge and shake up for Sports Interactive in how they adapt to the new engine and features. It will probably be hard for them to excel seemlessly, but it will eventually be good for them and us. This could lead to innovations also in game and how they work.

How SI releases news is important because of these considerations. I also think many people should temper their expectations concerning how FM will look in the new engine. Hopefully we will not see too many angry reactions when more news about the UI comes out. I trust that having a more simplified UI-experience will be better, and then being able to dig deeper from that is the way to go.

[XV20]

7 minutes ago, Ventricity said:

I feel many people's various concerns about adding womens football to FM is greatly exaggerated. It will not subtract from the normal FM development (especially in the long term) due to it will lead to more revenue and more developers working on FM. 

If I were the boss of FM I would think about it like this:

1. Adding womens football to FM is worth it simply on the basis of the increased media exposure that will come with it. FM will easily get more exposure in news outlets just because of it, and it will be free commercial exposure worth alot of money. The added exposure should lead to more income, making hiring more developers to make this feature well worth it.

2. Unity will make FM more platform agnostic, thus increasing income based on a bigger audience and more streamlined development and maintenance. 

3. Unity and womens football will create a much needed challenge and shake up for Sports Interactive in how they adapt to the new engine and features. It will probably be hard for them to excel seemlessly, but it will eventually be good for them and us. This could lead to innovations also in game and how they work.

How SI releases news is important because of these considerations. I also think many people should temper their expectations concerning how FM will look in the new engine. Hopefully we will not see too many angry reactions when more news about the UI comes out. I trust that having a more simplified UI-experience will be better, and then being able to dig deeper from that is the way to go.

well said 👍

[Novem9]

В 04.07.2024 в 10:49, kiwityke1983 сказал:

It's not unusual for me to have 10-15 countries running at once with 30-40 leagues.

I like having a big world running as it gives the most realistic one to play in even if over a 20-25 year save I only manage in 4 or 5 of them.

Often I'll load all Europe, all of Asia etc.

If every country has women's leagues attached by default with no way to turn them off then it really limits the number of leagues and countries you can feasibly run.

You either halve the number of leagues you run (that you are interested in IE the men's/women's leagues) or doubling your load times (with half the leagues being of no interest or effect on the men's game or women's if you don't want mens football to be simulated).

It would be an utterly bizarre decision for SI to make to be honest.

And if they do I wouldn't wish to be a mod when FM25 comes out because these forums will go into absolute meltdown.

One of the "features" that will sell me on the FM25 is faster data processing. My database of 90-120k now allows me to play at a fairly comfortable pace. If I can't use a significantly heavier base at the same speed, there's no reason for me to rush with FM25

[Novem9]

23 часа назад, Wolf_pd сказал:

Also, first thing I am going to try is to see if I can go from FM23 to FM24 to FM25

Why not 

23 часа назад, Wolf_pd сказал:

It was such a big feature in FM24 that if it would have been removed in FM25, it would have been mentioned.

 

I assume that while FM is in Gamepass, this function will be a priori

[Novem9]

23 часа назад, Wolf_pd сказал:

We have been trained to deal with a meltdown. We will use the Oprah method, you get a ban, you get a ban, EVERYBODY gets a ban!

I recently took part in a similar event

[Los_Culés]

On 04/07/2024 at 10:43, Wolf_pd said:

 

It was such a big feature in FM24 that if it would have been removed in FM25, it would have been mentioned.

So FM24 to FM25 transfers are possible.

Also, first thing I am going to try is to see if I can go from FM23 to FM24 to FM25

 this must be the best feature ever,

I have not tested this feature yet (I jumped from FM11/12 to 24) but this feature is practically the only thing for which I am willing to buy the game on a yearly basis. I am very slow player, immersing myself into the game (and trying to ignore stupid player interactions ), watching matches in full mode...but I also play other games (RPGs) so when new FM comes I am not very far in the game so continuing in the next FM is just wonderful for me.

Now I am dreaming of transfering my FM11 save (season 9) into FM24. Hey, I just want to dream! 

[MichaelNevo]

On 04/07/2024 at 13:29, Ventricity said:

I feel many people's various concerns about adding womens football to FM is greatly exaggerated. It will not subtract from the normal FM development (especially in the long term) due to it will lead to more revenue and more developers working on FM. 

If I were the boss of FM I would think about it like this:

1. Adding womens football to FM is worth it simply on the basis of the increased media exposure that will come with it. FM will easily get more exposure in news outlets just because of it, and it will be free commercial exposure worth alot of money. The added exposure should lead to more income, making hiring more developers to make this feature well worth it.

2. Unity will make FM more platform agnostic, thus increasing income based on a bigger audience and more streamlined development and maintenance. 

3. Unity and womens football will create a much needed challenge and shake up for Sports Interactive in how they adapt to the new engine and features. It will probably be hard for them to excel seemlessly, but it will eventually be good for them and us. This could lead to innovations also in game and how they work.

How SI releases news is important because of these considerations. I also think many people should temper their expectations concerning how FM will look in the new engine. Hopefully we will not see too many angry reactions when more news about the UI comes out. I trust that having a more simplified UI-experience will be better, and then being able to dig deeper from that is the way to go.

You hit the nail on the head there. I find that some people can be rather narrow minded when it comes to things that aren't a benefit to themselves. I don't care for this feature personally, but I can see why they're adding it and just because it's not for me, doesn't mean that I should throw around negative comments towards it.

[fc.cadoni]

I am still hoping to see UEFA Coaching Licences. UEFA C, B, A, Pro; then specials like Youth B & Elite Youth A plus Goalkeeper B and Goalkeeper A. 

[whatsupdoc]

Anything been said about match engine development for Fm25? I'm expecting less than usual tbh...

[whatsupdoc]

On 04/07/2024 at 22:29, Ventricity said:

I feel many people's various concerns about adding womens football to FM is greatly exaggerated. It will not subtract from the normal FM development (especially in the long term) due to it will lead to more revenue and more developers working on FM. 

If I were the boss of FM I would think about it like this:

1. Adding womens football to FM is worth it simply on the basis of the increased media exposure that will come with it. FM will easily get more exposure in news outlets just because of it, and it will be free commercial exposure worth alot of money. The added exposure should lead to more income, making hiring more developers to make this feature well worth it.

2. Unity will make FM more platform agnostic, thus increasing income based on a bigger audience and more streamlined development and maintenance. 

3. Unity and womens football will create a much needed challenge and shake up for Sports Interactive in how they adapt to the new engine and features. It will probably be hard for them to excel seemlessly, but it will eventually be good for them and us. This could lead to innovations also in game and how they work.

How SI releases news is important because of these considerations. I also think many people should temper their expectations concerning how FM will look in the new engine. Hopefully we will not see too many angry reactions when more news about the UI comes out. I trust that having a more simplified UI-experience will be better, and then being able to dig deeper from that is the way to go.

Women's football addition is great. Imma take the Matildas to glory.

[Polando]

I hope for a separate database for women's and men's football. So as not to use up unnecessary RAM for something I will never use, even out of curiosity. Yes, I mean women's football.

[-Jef-]

5 hours ago, Polando said:

I hope for a separate database for women's and men's football. So as not to use up unnecessary RAM for something I will never use, even out of curiosity. Yes, I mean women's football.

You are gonna need better PC by default due to move to Unity. Womens database will have almost negligible impact on it. Also no, it will be one database as it should.

Edited July 7 by -Jef-

[Smurf]

5 hours ago, Polando said:

I hope for a separate database for women's and men's football. So as not to use up unnecessary RAM for something I will never use, even out of curiosity. Yes, I mean women's football.

By your logic I hope that the entire Asian league is a separate database cos I never use that portion of it. 

I just don't think that's realistic. 

RAM you only need 8gb  minimum and it's plenty for most people.
16gb would be preferable - especially if you play with large databases and lots of leagues loaded more RAM is better. 
32gb is overkill for most systems, unless you're doing a lot of video editing, or animation etc. as a profession.

You'll get to decide as usual what leagues you want included and the participation of each league, playable/non-playable. 

I asked @Neil Brock many years ago and he replied to me with this.

Quote

 

For how the game uses threads - it will create as many threads for playing matches and shortlisting as you have cores (including hyperthreads).

But the performance you see varies on the setup for example with matches - Quick Matches for instance (so for loaded but non-managed in leagues) it's are so fast anyway it gets to the point where it doesn't make that much more difference having more cores.

If you use detail level to set more stuff to full match you'll start seeing betters gains for more cores, but of course will still be slower than by just not having the league loaded, or having it at a low detail level.

Similar sort of thing with shortlisting the more / leagues players you have loaded the more benefits you can potentially see with more cores, however this is probably more than offset by the general slowdown from having more stuff loading as there's still a large portion of the game which is single threaded. 

In regards to best processors, as a general guide we tend to suggest using the following comparison site as a good gauge of the performance capabilities - https://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Processors-Benchmark-List.2436.0.html

Basic rule of thumb is the higher it is on the list, the better it is. You can edit it to show processors for desktops and also those that are considered 'archived' via the restriction options. 

Hope some of this is of use. 

It really comes down to the processor. And typically buying a laptop the higher end laptops with higher end processors tend to come with 16/32gb anyways. 

But if you want to play larger databases with a not so good processor you'll hit some performance issues, so increasing the RAM to 16gb would be advisable.

Edited July 7 by Smurf

[vishers]

39 minutes ago, Smurf said:

By your logic I hope that the entire Asian league is a separate database cos I never use that portion of it. 

I just don't think that's realistic. 

 

For the record, I'm all in favour of women's football being included in the next FM, in fact as a father of two daughters I think it's fantastic

But your argument above makes little sense as all men's leagues have massive bearing on all other men's leagues due to player transfers/nations improving etc. In your example, you may not play in the Asian leagues but I bet players from that region affect the leagues you do play in, whereas the women's league should be a separate database as these players will have zero impact on the men's game and vice versa

[Smurf]

10 minutes ago, vishers said:

may not play in the Asian leagues but I bet players from that region affect the leagues you do play in, 

It doesn't cos I don't have those leagues loaded. 

It makes no difference.

[-Jef-]

22 minutes ago, vishers said:

whereas the women's league should be a separate database as these players will have zero impact on the men's game and vice versa

What about all the amazing women in football who could be a great asset in men's football if only they were given the chance? I am talking in terms of the staff members, just to be clear.

[ForTheLoveOfTheGame]

19 hours ago, -Jef- said:

What about all the amazing women in football who could be a great asset in men's football if only they were given the chance? I am talking in terms of the staff members, just to be clear.

I really hope this doesn’t mean we are going to see a huge influx of female managers taking manager jobs in the men’s game in FM25

 

Because it’s not (and it doesn’t) happen in real life. I hope they’ve coded for this accordingly.

[-Jef-]

2 hours ago, ForTheLoveOfTheGame said:

I really hope this doesn’t mean we are going to see a huge influx of female managers taking manager jobs in the men’s game in FM25

 

Because it’s not (and it doesn’t) happen in real life. I hope they’ve coded for this accordingly.

Its slowly happening though, irl. Get ready for it.

[forameuss]

4 hours ago, ForTheLoveOfTheGame said:

I really hope this doesn’t mean we are going to see a huge influx of female managers taking manager jobs in the men’s game in FM25

 

Because it’s not (and it doesn’t) happen in real life. I hope they’ve coded for this accordingly.

Question. Why does it matter?  Like I can understand if something is happening that is functionally ridiculous like players out injured because they've been abducted or players being replaced by goats, but we're not talking about that.  We're talking about someone of a different sex having the skills to perform a job that isn't particularly specialised.  There are precious few roles you can look at and say that one sex is completely barred from entry.  Football Management is a million miles from one.  So...what bothers you so much about that prospect, and are you this upset that there's male coaches in the female game?

Edited July 8 by forameuss

[ForTheLoveOfTheGame]

37 minutes ago, forameuss said:

Question. Why does it matter?  Like I can understand if something is happening that is functionally ridiculous like players out injured because they've been abducted or players being replaced by goats, but we're not talking about that.  We're talking about someone of a different sex having the skills to perform a job that isn't particularly specialised.  There are precious few roles you can look at and say that one sex is completely barred from entry.  Football Management is a million miles from one.  So...what bothers you so much about that prospect, and are you this upset that there's male coaches in the female game?

Because it is not happening IRL. 

So for those that value realism as a top priority, it breaks that.

Last thing I would want to see is Emma Hayes taking the Real Madrid job in FM25 

[forameuss]

17 minutes ago, ForTheLoveOfTheGame said:

Because it is not happening IRL. 

So for those that value realism as a top priority, it breaks that.

Last thing I would want to see is Emma Hayes taking the Real Madrid job in FM25 

So in a world where you can take a team that plays on an allotment to be the top club in the world, the line you want to draw for realism is one of them women doing a job they'd be eminently qualified to do.  Got it.

[davehanson]

1 hour ago, forameuss said:

So in a world where you can take a team that plays on an allotment to be the top club in the world, the line you want to draw for realism is one of them women doing a job they'd be eminently qualified to do.  Got it.

No, sorry I am with the poster on this one.

 

Yes - YOU the manager- can get an 'allotment' football club to be the top club in the world - that is part and parcel of the fun of the game. Be honest, how many times have you seen an AI manager do that?

 

The game as far as possible should mimic real life. Brexit  did, the war in Ukraine it has. IRL female football managers are almost non-existent. I can only think of 1 in the English system - at Forest Green Rovers. As and when female managers start to appear in the game IRL then of course they should in FM, but until then the game should be representative of what we see now.

[forameuss]

3 minutes ago, davehanson said:

No, sorry I am with the poster on this one.

You are?  Good for you.  I'll continue to not really care when something believably realistic happens in a football game, even if it does involve women.

[davehanson]

1 minute ago, forameuss said:

You are?  Good for you.  I'll continue to not really care when something believably realistic happens in a football game, even if it does involve women.

That's it. Ignore everything that was factually correct and make up your own narrative. Well done.

 

It isn't believably realistic at the moment as it isn't happening, is it?

Edited July 8 by davehanson

[forameuss]

Just now, davehanson said:

That's it. Ignore everything that was factually correct and make up your own narrative. Well done.

Thanks!

I didn't ignore anything.  I just don't remotely care about something as stupid as what the two of you seem to care about.  There's a million things in game that would tumble down if you want to pull that particular realism string, yet certain people are still desperate to pull it only for stuff like this.  Telling.

Again, even if this is something that doesn't happen now - which it isn't, but certainly could and probably should in future - it isn't, at it's core, unrealistic.  You really arguing against that?

[davehanson]

2 minutes ago, forameuss said:

Thanks!

I didn't ignore anything.  I just don't remotely care about something as stupid as what the two of you seem to care about.  There's a million things in game that would tumble down if you want to pull that particular realism string, yet certain people are still desperate to pull it only for stuff like this.  Telling.

Again, even if this is something that doesn't happen now - which it isn't, but certainly could and probably should in future - it isn't, at it's core, unrealistic.  You really arguing against that?

FM has never coded what 'could' happen - part of the reason the implementation of Brexit was so controversial and then they backtracked to a degree and made it entirely optional. 

Will female managers happen IRL - most likely. Will they happen at the top level within say the next 10 years? Unlikely, so why would they be coded to be able to in the game. I am fully aware that parts of the game are 'unrealistic' but it strives as much as possible to be realistic. By deliberately coding something in which isn't happening now would be wrong, imo.

[DavutOzkan]

Can't this thread go back to dunking on how ugly the UI screenshots looked?

[XV20]

3 hours ago, ForTheLoveOfTheGame said:

Because it is not happening IRL. 

So for those that value realism as a top priority, it breaks that.

Last thing I would want to see is Emma Hayes taking the Real Madrid job in FM25 

It's going to happen whether you like it or not.

[XV20]

11 minutes ago, DavutOzkan said:

Can't this thread go back to dunking on how ugly the UI screenshots looked?

nuh uh

 

[endtime]

There is at least one female manager in FM24 who semi-frequently gets appointed by the AI to manage clubs. If you don't realise this, then it shows how much you actually pay attention to the game and how much you just want to melt down about women in football.

[gunner86]

3 hours ago, davehanson said:

FM has never coded what 'could' happen - part of the reason the implementation of Brexit was so controversial and then they backtracked to a degree and made it entirely optional. 

Will female managers happen IRL - most likely. Will they happen at the top level within say the next 10 years? Unlikely, so why would they be coded to be able to in the game. I am fully aware that parts of the game are 'unrealistic' but it strives as much as possible to be realistic. By deliberately coding something in which isn't happening now would be wrong, imo.

The same way that Sean Dyche will never manage Man City IRL, but it can happen in game - and has.

That being said, I wouldn’t be surprised if our old friend reputation doesn’t render female manager getting top men’s jobs unlikely anyway. I’m more worried about it going the other way and too many managers going from the men’s game and clogging up women’s football roles.

Hopefully they get the balance right.

[davehanson]

1 hour ago, endtime said:

There is at least one female manager in FM24 who semi-frequently gets appointed by the AI to manage clubs. If you don't realise this, then it shows how much you actually pay attention to the game and how much you just want to melt down about women in football.

It's not a melt down at all. I love the fact they have included the women's game - I will definitely try it at some point. However, and this isn't for me just about female managers coming over to the men's game - the men who manage in the women's game don't come over to the men's game IRL either. It is just not happening at the moment.

If Utd sack Ten Hag at the end of this year nobody would give Marc Skinner a hope in hell of even being considered for the job. The game needs to as far as possible reflect real life. 

 

Likewise as @gunner86 has said I don't want Pep going over to manage Man City's women's team. I trust that SI have factored the reputations of managers and clubs in when they do the coding and this just won't happen. 

[endtime]

The game already diverges from real life in multiple aspects, I don't understand why this is such a particular sticking point for you. 

Anyway I apologise for that original post, it came out harsher than I intended.

 

Edited July 8 by endtime

[omerrath]

If the possibility of a female manager taking the position at Real Madrid bothers you, just:

‘Add new manger’ —> take the position —> retire

and the AI will probably replace her with Tuchel  or another manager from the wheel.

I’m starting my annual save traditionaly with Borussia Dortmund .

not out of hate, but if I will see a woman taking the Bayern position , I will use the method above to remove her and have more realistic experience ( my prespective guys, don’t get triggered)

Edited July 8 by omerrath

[BristolCity1992]

3 hours ago, davehanson said:

It's not a melt down at all. I love the fact they have included the women's game - I will definitely try it at some point. However, and this isn't for me just about female managers coming over to the men's game - the men who manage in the women's game don't come over to the men's game IRL either. It is just not happening at the moment.

If Utd sack Ten Hag at the end of this year nobody would give Marc Skinner a hope in hell of even being considered for the job. The game needs to as far as possible reflect real life. 

 

Likewise as @gunner86 has said I don't want Pep going over to manage Man City's women's team. I trust that SI have factored the reputations of managers and clubs in when they do the coding and this just won't happen. 

Pep has managed Bournemouth and got sacked in my game so this is something they need to work on anyway. 

[MWoolf]

7 hours ago, davehanson said:

It's not a melt down at all. I love the fact they have included the women's game - I will definitely try it at some point. However, and this isn't for me just about female managers coming over to the men's game - the men who manage in the women's game don't come over to the men's game IRL either. It is just not happening at the moment.

If Utd sack Ten Hag at the end of this year nobody would give Marc Skinner a hope in hell of even being considered for the job. The game needs to as far as possible reflect real life. 

 

Likewise as @gunner86 has said I don't want Pep going over to manage Man City's women's team. I trust that SI have factored the reputations of managers and clubs in when they do the coding and this just won't happen. 

All kinds of people end up managing all kinds of weird places in a FM save of sufficient length.  Whether those appointments are 'realistic' is very much a matter of opinion, not a matter of fact.

Reality is a weird place sometimes.

If you'd asked me 12 months ago, I'd have said Mourinho at Fenerbahçe was 100% never going to happen.  Yet here we are

Likewise, the real-life appointment of the first women's team manager to manage a men's team in one of the top leagues will be unthinkable...right up until it actually happens.

As long as the money imbalance keeps manager salaries relatively low at women's teams, the reverse won't hapen.

It really is the economics that will stop it, though, not the reputation.  Benitez  managing in China didn't happen for all the prestigious silverware on offer.

[ForTheLoveOfTheGame]

4 hours ago, MWoolf said:

All kinds of people end up managing all kinds of weird places in a FM save of sufficient length.  Whether those appointments are 'realistic' is very much a matter of opinion, not a matter of fact.

Reality is a weird place sometimes.

If you'd asked me 12 months ago, I'd have said Mourinho at Fenerbahçe was 100% never going to happen.  Yet here we are

Likewise, the real-life appointment of the first women's team manager to manage a men's team in one of the top leagues will be unthinkable...right up until it actually happens.

As long as the money imbalance keeps manager salaries relatively low at women's teams, the reverse won't hapen.

It really is the economics that will stop it, though, not the reputation.  Benitez  managing in China didn't happen for all the prestigious silverware on offer.

Fenerbahce? That huge Turkish team that play in the vibrant, beautiful city of Istanbul, with the possibility of Champions League football every year? With a massive fan base, a 50k seater stadium, one of the biggest derbies in Europe and strong financial backing? 
 

You couldn’t see how managing one of the big Istanbul teams is attractive to a manager that hasn’t managed at the elite level for 5 or so years? 

Edited July 9 by ForTheLoveOfTheGame

[-Jef-]

1 hour ago, ForTheLoveOfTheGame said:

Fenerbahce? That huge Turkish team that play in the vibrant, beautiful city of Istanbul, with the possibility of Champions League football every year? With a massive fan base, a 50k seater stadium, one of the biggest derbies in Europe and strong financial backing? 
 

You couldn’t see how managing one of the big Istanbul teams is attractive to a manager that hasn’t managed at the elite level for 5 or so years? 

If I asked you...will a top tier woman manager have a chance at managing PL club in 5 years, what would you say? No, yes?

 

Remember, Ancelotti managed Everton and finished (check notes) 12th and 10th after Everton finished, in previous seasons, 8-8-7-11-11-5-6. And he was considered washed. Then somehow got Real job and is now in contention for the GOAT. 

[grade]

I think SI needs to be more of this approach. Can't meet deadlines on announcements (yes I'm sticking to that hill) do this:

Console Development Status | Paradox Interactive Forums (paradoxplaza.com)

The world has not ended because of it.

Edited July 9 by grade

[forameuss]

5 minutes ago, grade said:

I think SI needs to be more of this approach. Can't meet deadlines on announcements (yes I'm sticking to that hill) do this:

Console Development Status | Paradox Interactive Forums (paradoxplaza.com)

The world has not ended because of it.

The "world has not ended", because effectively Paradox's stock could not be lower at this point.  They're deservedly getting a kicking because they went from supporting a product that was beloved, and replaced it with something that largely didn't work.  They then did very little to improve that situation, then started announcing paid DLC.

But by all means, lets ignore all that and pick one piece of heavy damage limitation as a positive.

[gunner86]

10 hours ago, MWoolf said:

As long as the money imbalance keeps manager salaries relatively low at women's teams, the reverse won't hapen.

It really is the economics that will stop it, though, not the reputation.  Benitez  managing in China didn't happen for all the prestigious silverware on offer.

You would think the economics would stop men’s team managers going to women’s teams, sure. But probably not the other way round, that’s where the manager’s reputation would likely be the hindering factor. You would hope that between these two factors we get balanced manager movements.

[MWoolf]

8 hours ago, ForTheLoveOfTheGame said:

Fenerbahce? That huge Turkish team that play in the vibrant, beautiful city of Istanbul, with the possibility of Champions League football every year? With a massive fan base, a 50k seater stadium, one of the biggest derbies in Europe and strong financial backing? 
 

You couldn’t see how managing one of the big Istanbul teams is attractive to a manager that hasn’t managed at the elite level for 5 or so years? 

Serie A isn't "elite level?"

Or do you mean his managerial performances have been mediocre?  

That second statement is certainly true.  He's been pretty mediocre for longer than 5 years, IMO. 

Mourinho hadn't managed outside of Spain, England or Italy in 20 years. So, no, 12 months ago I would not have imagined that he was going to swallow his pride and accept an appointment in a second-tier league.

[MWoolf]

2 hours ago, gunner86 said:

You would think the economics would stop men’s team managers going to women’s teams, sure. But probably not the other way round, that’s where the manager’s reputation would likely be the hindering factor. You would hope that between these two factors we get balanced manager movements.

I am very unclear how they intend to harmonize reputation between men's football and women's football.

Is winning with Chelsea Women more or less prestigious than achieving mid-table finishes with MK Dons?

[grade]

3 hours ago, forameuss said:

The "world has not ended", because effectively Paradox's stock could not be lower at this point.  They're deservedly getting a kicking because they went from supporting a product that was beloved, and replaced it with something that largely didn't work.  They then did very little to improve that situation, then started announcing paid DLC.

But by all means, lets ignore all that and pick one piece of heavy damage limitation as a positive.

I just read the news here and there about Cities Skylines 2 (most of the news I read is in this thread but didn't Paradox and Colossal Order apologise because the game wasn't up to standard after Biffa and others complained about the game on their youtube channels?

[gunner86]

2 hours ago, MWoolf said:

I am very unclear how they intend to harmonize reputation between men's football and women's football.

Is winning with Chelsea Women more or less prestigious than achieving mid-table finishes with MK Dons?

It is an interesting question and I’m looking forward to seeing their approach. Will men’s and women’s teams have separate reputations? Or will it be a shared club reputation? Same goes for finances too I guess. They’ve had a lot of time to think all this through I suppose.