Muttley84 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 I like how the discussion in this forum is all around the attacking midfielders options (which are decent enough picks and can understand them). From the outside of UK and looking at the squad that doesn't look at all as a defense which can win the tournament, CB and LB seem really poor at the moment, curious how they get on... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Thoughts on tonight's game? I'm looking at it optimistically as a genuine audition for Wharton and Mainoo to stake a claim for the third central midfield spot. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 28 minutes ago, Bootador said: Outside of Grealish, I think it's a mistake to leave Branthewaite home and could be costly. Left footed centre back so useful, especially when me might not have any left footed defenders on the pitch (depending on Shaw) Hope Wharton starts tonight, the more I watch of him the more brilliant he looks. Actually think he's a much better foil for Rice than Mainoo - there's still time. Guehi isn't left footed but plays on the left for Palace Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 On 22/05/2024 at 09:24, Smallen said: It is time to start playing TAA inverted from left back imo. Gareth has two games + the groups to coach it. Out of possession 4-4-2 press: Pickford Walker - Stones - Maguire - TAA Saka - Rice - Bellingham - Gordon Foden - Kane In possession 3-2-4-1: Pickford Walker - Stones - Maguire Rice - TAA Saka - Foden - Bellingham - Gordon Kane I really wish we had a decent left-footed centre back. The lack of left-footers is the only thing that imbalances us. Otherwise this is the greatest team to play the game. Obvs it would now need to be Guehi in for Maguire, but this is still our best chance imo. Swap Shaw in for TAA when we need to be more solid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 16 minutes ago, Muttley84 said: I like how the discussion in this forum is all around the attacking midfielders options (which are decent enough picks and can understand them). From the outside of UK and looking at the squad that doesn't look at all as a defense which can win the tournament, CB and LB seem really poor at the moment, curious how they get on... We've got the greatest goalkeeper in the history of football. We could play with no defenders at all and win the tournament if we wanted. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 18 minutes ago, RTHerringbone said: Thoughts on tonight's game? I'm looking at it optimistically as a genuine audition for Wharton and Mainoo to stake a claim for the third central midfield spot. Give Mainoo a chance please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Won't happen for NT because there's just not enough time, but TAA has all the right attributes for deep playmaker role in the middle. Will be interesting to see if Slot tries to implement it the next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 I really like the look of Mainoo, but at the same time I can't get over the number of shots United concede and think "he's playing in an area that's supposed to help negate that". I know United fans see him more as an 8 long term, but that's not what we need this tournament - we need someone to sit. If not, we might as well play Foden in midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 44 minutes ago, Lucas said: @Rob1981 Come on, mate. nah Rob is way more concerned about no Henderson than our defence, experience, grit & passion wins tournaments 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 9 minutes ago, Bootador said: I really like the look of Mainoo, but at the same time I can't get over the number of shots United concede and think "he's playing in an area that's supposed to help negate that". I know United fans see him more as an 8 long term, but that's not what we need this tournament - we need someone to sit. If not, we might as well play Foden in midfield. Don't think our shots against numbers were anything to do with Mainoo, but he is more of a 8. We were basically playing a high press and a low block at the same time. Mostly due to the fact non of our defenders have any pace. Mainoo was either the last man of the press or had Casemiro behind him, so was really the last man of the press. Surprised with Grealish not being picked and I think it shows Foden will be playing from the left. I'll be surprised if Eze, Bowen or Gordon get a full 90 minutes between them. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 7 Author Share Posted June 7 12 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said: Rob is way more concerned about no Henderson than our defence, experience, grit & passion wins tournaments Balanced teams that can hold on to the ball win tournaments. I didn't think I would be the last person in England lobbying for Henderson. We shouldn't need him. But we're putting a load of faith in TAA/Gallagher who haven't yet performed well in that third midfield role, or in Mainoo/Wharton who have barely played at all. But if one of them steps up... we're fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Until the opposition break through that line and then start running at our defence Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 3 hours ago, Redshift said: Can anyone update me on the Coming Home status please? Grealish is coming home, and his mum's not happy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 57 minutes ago, Bootador said: I really like the look of Mainoo, but at the same time I can't get over the number of shots United concede and think "he's playing in an area that's supposed to help negate that". I know United fans see him more as an 8 long term, but that's not what we need this tournament - we need someone to sit. If not, we might as well play Foden in midfield. He generally hasn't been playing in that area though, he's been pushed ahead of the ball by ETH (with an ageing Casemiro behind him, not Rice - shots per game was lower when it was just Mainoo holding IIRC...). I think his defending has room for improvement, but his anticipation and willingness to get stuck in isn't bad at all, especially considering how many people wanted England to play with just Rice and attacking mids who do all their best stuff in the final third No doubt that Gallagher will break up play more, but that goes for both teams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 I don't rate Gallagher period tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 2 minutes ago, Bootador said: I don't rate Gallagher period tbh Yeah, I'd rather we do pretty much anything other than play Gallagher. Even if that means playing TAA there, one of the young guys, or Foden / Bellingham deeper and stick Eze / Gordon out wide on the left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Gallagher's not ideal, but may just be the workhorse needed so the others can do the fancy stuff. He covers more ground than most, I get tired just from watching him. Not the most technical of players, but sometimes players like him in the team bring a balance that a more talented player can't. I don't mind him. Think he definitely brings an energy to that midfield, and it looks like has a decent understanding with Rice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkSport Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 15 hours ago, themadsheep2001 said: Yeah. Saka is nailed on to start if fit. Been England's best wide player by some distance. Lets definitely drop him for Gordon. Ffs It’s not dropping him for Gordon. Was more I can see it eventually being between him and Foden for RW as we settle into the tournament swing. Can count on one hand amount of times Foden and Saka have started games LW and RW, despite both being clearly best players we have in attacking positions since 2020/21. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 7 minutes ago, pearcey_90 said: It’s not dropping him for Gordon. Was more I can see it eventually being between him and Foden for RW as we settle into the tournament swing. Can count on one hand amount of times Foden and Saka have started games LW and RW, despite both being clearly best players we have in attacking positions since 2020/21. Foden is almost certainly going to be on the left because there's no Rashford. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 I would massively caveat Mainoo's defending with the fact that United have no defensive structure. England are considerably better on that front. And Rice is leagues ahead of current Casemiro 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Mainoo and Rice is a really clever pairing. Honestly dont have many concerns with those 2 and Bellingham together Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Wharton is no slacker either tbf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 (edited) Be a bit worried if we were relying on Mainoo to start based on what I've seen of him to be honest. Doesn't feel like he's anywhere near involved in games enough to play a pretty important midfield role on the big stage for England yet. Perhaps Man U fans will tell me I'm wrong, but a quick look at the data would tend to back me up. It's a shame we don't have someone who can play the holding role to release Rice into a box-to-box role tbh. Edited June 7 by Smallen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 7 Author Share Posted June 7 Boom! Mainoo starts. Palmer starts. Gordon starts. And Foden as the 10 but no Bellingham. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 7 Author Share Posted June 7 Oh, and Ramsdale in there too. Nice one Gareth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VP. Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Going to presume its Palmer v Gordon on who makes the starting side next weekend as can't imagine Saka goes straight into the team now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigus89 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Glad Bellingham is getting a rest, boy looks knackered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkSport Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Palmer not a LW though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Saka 12 minutes ago, VP. said: Going to presume its Palmer v Gordon on who makes the starting side next weekend as can't imagine Saka goes straight into the team now. Saka's is an injury precaution. Think he'll get some minutes if possible 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 7 Author Share Posted June 7 Loving the new wave of positivity in here, but remember tonight is a night tinged with sadness. The last game on Channel 4, with their weird crossover content and their fondness for booking Dion Dublin. From September it is back to ITV, with Pougatch pushing you to enter their competition and then dressing up his own long-winded opinion as a question. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 John Stones isn't dead Solid lineup that. About as full strength as it can reasonably be given the ongoing Shaw fitness race and Bellingham's overdue rest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Rooney is a right unit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vynal Seven Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 16 minutes ago, Rob1981 said: The last game on Channel 4, with their weird crossover content and Thank **** for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Playing Stones just feels like an unnecessary risk. Literally injured as I’m typing this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Someone really needs to tell Kane to stay upfront, he's just been at centre back FFS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Iceland ruining another England goalkeeper Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWednesday Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Here we go again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 It's happening again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Near post. Rubbish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VP. Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Ramsdale not great, went down in instalments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Midfield a bit non existent there but that's a good bit of play and a good finish tbf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Mainoo sized gap in midfield... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 terrible from Ramsdale. Arteta really went and ruined his career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Well that wasn’t on the cards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arenaross Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 That's some really bad football there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWednesday Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Awful from Gordon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Southgate sacked yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Got score there if you're not passing to Foden Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Adam Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 wtf was that Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Really needs Henderson. **** sake, Gareth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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