deltasfd11 Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Looking at this image you can see Benfica and Porto trashing bigger teams like milan and Barcelona who have Amazing teams. However this teams are always destroying big teams since day 1 despite having weaker team. It doesn't matter what you do you can not beat them. Because this teams were used to cheat and exploit engine during the AI training for FM engine this teams are now broken and can't be stopped. Si games team need to adress this issue. We cannot have this kind of thing happen. Its not realistic This teams are highly broken Stop using AI training form cheating or exploiting. There is now way this results are realístic. This small clubs wouldn't destroy big teams season after season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cloud9 Posted June 9 Popular Post Share Posted June 9 (edited) 17 minutes ago, deltasfd11 said: Looking at this image you can see Benfica and Porto trashing bigger teams like milan and Barcelona who have Amazing teams. However this teams are always destroying big teams since day 1 despite having weaker team. It doesn't matter what you do you can not beat them. Because this teams were used to cheat and exploit engine during the AI training for FM engine this teams are now broken and can't be stopped. Si games team need to adress this issue. We cannot have this kind of thing happen. Its not realistic This teams are highly broken Stop using AI training form cheating or exploiting. There is now way this results are realístic. This small clubs wouldn't destroy big teams season after season lol, how dare the smaller clubs win? Edited June 9 by Cloud9 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Jef- Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Talk about getting FM'd eh? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillYourIdols Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Eh, You're 6 Years down the line. I'd be inclined to agree if this happened often in 23/24 Season, but who knows what teams will be doing what in 2029 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fc.cadoni Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Pretty sure Olympiacos beating Aston Villa is the most recent example. And winning Europa Conference League against Fiorentina. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NineCloudNine Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 The tinfoil hat vibe is strong with this one. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XaW Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 I see Man UFC as holders... so obviously you managed to beat them, OP? Can we see the rest of the CL winners to see only Portuguese teams...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevhamster Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 (edited) Because underdogs never win I guess. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68110763 Edited June 10 by kevhamster 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Team growth and such are among other things determined by how the researchers set the teams up in the database. If it happens to every random AI team it would be a software bug, if it happens only to Porto and Benfica, it is a data bug. The Porto result is very much inside realm of possibilities, the Benfica result maybe less so, but Barcelona might have run out of levers in your save. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Payaso Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Manchester United or more like Man UFC winning the Champions League is a bigger problem here. Don't see that happening in the near future. In general the current FM is quite good at simulating real world. Of course there are teams like Girona, Leverkusen, Bologna and Inter that aren't usually reaching the real life level of performances but at least two of those were big surprises. It's hard to make it perfect. But when you compare this to something like FM 2017 and 2018 where certain playing styles even under the AI were so powerful that the whole gaming world was a big mess more often than not, we have gone big steps to right direction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Jef- Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 7 minutes ago, El Payaso said: Manchester United or more like Man UFC winning the Champions League is a bigger problem here. Don't see that happening in the near future. In general the current FM is quite good at simulating real world. Of course there are teams like Girona, Leverkusen, Bologna and Inter that aren't usually reaching the real life level of performances but at least two of those were big surprises. It's hard to make it perfect. But did anyone predict that Leverkusen will lose just one match their whole season? Didn't see that happening 5 years ago, did you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 1 hour ago, El Payaso said: Manchester United or more like Man UFC winning the Champions League is a bigger problem here. Don't see that happening in the near future. True. Man U has been a problem that way for a few seasons now, just like no one will ever see AI have a season like Ajax had this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Payaso Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 55 minutes ago, Wolf_pd said: True. Man U has been a problem that way for a few seasons now, just like no one will ever see AI have a season like Ajax had this year. For the AI both Manchester United and Chelsea are usually quite well simulated in season one. Chelsea seems to bounce back quite soon though. But in general the real life simulation is probably best it has ever been in terms if the AI. Obviously I don't know how these worked between 19-23 versions as I didn't play them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltasfd11 Posted June 11 Author Share Posted June 11 Em 10/06/2024 em 00:54, Cloud9 disse: lol, how dare the smaller clubs win? i think you dont understand.. im not talking about small clubs beating giants... im talking small clubs start FM first season and after 1 match into champions league they are favorite to win every match against giants. that not right.. very wrong. we should be able to beat giants with samll clubs in due conditions like home matches, fail exploit, and not having small weak teams dominating the save after 1 match into the save. also, if you think you understand anything about pro football, you need to take a break and think better. shaktar beat barcelona in a specific match at home, with tough conditions, cold, and with barcelona in their worst moment of last 30years. also barcelona was in a injury crisys. lots of injuries in key players, also bad management of the lineup. it was in a season packed with matches from national teams, teams, cups. also you should always analyse the context. barcelna did some rotation due to prioritise other matches and playing with injuries. shaktar didnt wreck barcelona or something. learn football before you talk crap. also i understand as an FM fan that we always defend the game but this is about improving and showing what is wrong so SI can improve and fix issues. i also love FM but this is ruining many peoples saves. broken teams with weak players who run over everyone since day 1... also look at this screen shot from arsenal save first matches first season where benfica is weak team and shouldnt be favorite against giants. just not real Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltasfd11 Posted June 11 Author Share Posted June 11 Em 10/06/2024 em 11:44, -Jef- disse: Talk about getting FM'd eh? i know what you guys are talking. its normal thing to be have small teams beat giants. but,... since 23 first season, im seeing small teams without conditions to win titles like champions just dominating everything. look at this screenshot where benfica dominates my arsenal save since first season. since day 1 of champions. its not a joke, people are having this issues where small teams with weak players are destroying everyone. im not trying to attack FM, i love this game too. and i want this issue to be solved. its ruins the saves to have small teams printing money out of nowhere and buying players they shouldnt be able to get since day 1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Payaso Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 @deltasfd11 what is your opinion about yourself (apparently) doing unrealistically well with Manchester United? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costav Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 5 minutes ago, deltasfd11 said: also, if you think you understand anything about pro football, you need to take a break and think better Oh, come on. Question yourself before insulting other users. This comment is just useless and it shows your arrogance. You have several examples that this can happen IRL too. See Bayer Leverkusen and Atalanta as a reference. Moreover, the screenshot you just posted as a proof of poor game working is related a fake in-game poll, which means has 0 values regarding how the ME and the game overall work. However, if you don't like the result of the 1100 votes, you may want to rise a post in the bug tracker section. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltasfd11 Posted June 11 Author Share Posted June 11 Em 10/06/2024 em 00:38, deltasfd11 disse: Looking at this image you can see Benfica and Porto trashing bigger teams like milan and Barcelona who have Amazing teams. However this teams are always destroying big teams since day 1 despite having weaker team. It doesn't matter what you do you can not beat them. Because this teams were used to cheat and exploit engine during the AI training for FM engine this teams are now broken and can't be stopped. Si games team need to adress this issue. We cannot have this kind of thing happen. Its not realistic This teams are highly broken Stop using AI training form cheating or exploiting. There is now way this results are realístic. This small clubs wouldn't destroy big teams season after season update to this post. im not dreaming... this team benfica and porto keep destroying everyone since day. new save with arsenal and since first season day benfica is favorite against my top team arsenal where is this real? what kinds of things are this people smoking? using cheater data to make AI play training leads to this terrible thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltasfd11 Posted June 11 Author Share Posted June 11 2 minutos atrás, Costav disse: Oh, come on. Question yourself before insulting other users. This comment is just useless and it shows your arrogance. You have several examples that this can happen IRL too. See Bayer Leverkusen and Atalanta as a reference. Moreover, the screenshot you just posted as a proof of poor game working is related a fake in-game poll, which means has 0 values regarding how the ME and the game overall work. However, if you don't like the result of the 1100 votes, you may want to rise a post in the bug tracker section. i know what you mean. and those winning odds are not random. they translate what can happen in the match. you can still beat them but that shows your status for the match... is it accurate? maybe not but still indicative. also leverkusen didnt get surprised by atalanta. atalanta this season was a very strong team at spaces. and was very strong. people dont know anything about football and then say this things. atalanta was one of the favorite to win europe league. they had beaten big teams during the season already. i had content about it on my twitter football account. im not arrogant. dude just got mad because i exposed is weak point view. atalanta is a very good team. people got blinded by the hype of invencible team. bla bla bla things like this dont happen for no reason, it has a context. also i didnt attack anyone. im just exposing an issue with FM24 wich must be solved for next year. just because someone show an issue with the engine or FM in general doesnt mean they are attacking the community or the game... just be serious.. i didnt post topic saying "FM is crap, i hate it, and its poo poo" i did a post with content and creative content., constructive one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazzaflow10 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 The OP reminds me a certain poster who I believe got banned around the time this account was opened. Would hate to see the mods look into it further... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud9 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 (edited) 2 hours ago, deltasfd11 said: i know what you guys are talking. its normal thing to be have small teams beat giants. but,... since 23 first season, im seeing small teams without conditions to win titles like champions just dominating everything. look at this screenshot where benfica dominates my arsenal save since first season. since day 1 of champions. its not a joke, people are having this issues where small teams with weak players are destroying everyone. im not trying to attack FM, i love this game too. and i want this issue to be solved. its ruins the saves to have small teams printing money out of nowhere and buying players they shouldnt be able to get since day 1. Arsenal would never lose to a Portuguese club. Edited June 11 by Cloud9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud9 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 (edited) 2 hours ago, deltasfd11 said: we should be able to beat giants with samll clubs in due conditions like home matches ok Edited June 11 by Cloud9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud9 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 2 hours ago, deltasfd11 said: using cheater data to make AI play training leads to this terrible thing. ?????? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
santy001 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 3 hours ago, deltasfd11 said: things like this dont happen for no reason, it has a context. Losing matches in FM doesn't happen for no reason. It happens because the other team scores more goals than your team did. If you find you're losing games where this isn't the case you should absolutely raise bug posts. Everyone will want to see. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillYourIdols Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) 14 hours ago, Cloud9 said: Arsenal would never lose to a Portuguese club. Someone hold me Also, Going back to what I Think OP is saying, I think they mean that Smaller teams are favourites for games when, In reality, they really shouldn't be and it holds weight in the ME, rather than complaining that smaller teams are beating bigger teams. Is that Correct @deltasfd11? Edited June 12 by KillYourIdols 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NineCloudNine Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) 46 minutes ago, KillYourIdols said: Going back to what I Think OP is saying, I think they mean that Smaller teams are favourites for games when, In reality, they really shouldn't be and it holds weight in the ME, rather than complaining that smaller teams are beating bigger teams. Is that Correct @deltasfd11? More than that, he seems to have gone down a tinfoil hat rabbit hole by deciding that the reason for the success of two smaller clubs (Benfica & Porto, which are not small clubs but nvm) is that SI are testing special AI code on them . Quote Because this teams were used to cheat and exploit engine during the AI training for FM engine this teams are now broken and can't be stopped. Edited June 12 by NineCloudNine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillYourIdols Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 24 minutes ago, NineCloudNine said: More than that, he seems to have gone down a tinfoil hat rabbit hole by deciding that the reason for the success of two smaller clubs (Benfica & Porto, which are not small clubs but nvm) is that SI are testing special AI code on them . Ah, I had hopes this was different... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 3 hours ago, NineCloudNine said: More than that, he seems to have gone down a tinfoil hat rabbit hole by deciding that the reason for the success of two smaller clubs (Benfica & Porto, which are not small clubs but nvm) is that SI are testing special AI code on them . Actually quite curious where OP gets that idea from. I would expect they would use English teams for that and overpower them that way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagenham_Dave Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Still waiting for the screenshot that shows Benfica and Porto winning every Champions League title since the save began. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
realcaffrey_ Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Yeah how dare you tiny team to beat the biggest of all time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
De Nile Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 I think most big teams in real life tournament football happen to be there but not really playing well enough to go far in the competition so the way I see it most underdogs wins aren't very surprising when they play to their strengths. And with Benfica tipped to be favourites isn't really a big deal and you can make sense to choose teams which have be in the competition for a some time to be favourites. The creators for FM25 have bigger things to worry about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NineCloudNine Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 2 hours ago, Dagenham_Dave said: Still waiting for the screenshot that shows Benfica and Porto winning every Champions League title since the save began. Since the OP himself seems to have won the CL with Man U the year before, I'm guessing that screenshot isn't coming. The presented evidence is some results from 2029 showing Porto beating Milan and Benfica beating Barcelona. Nothing weird about either result, now or in the future. The other evidence is a screenshot from early in the 2023 season showing that despite losing their first match in the group, Benfica are considered slight favourites agaist an Arsenal team who drew their first match. I have no idea why the OP considers this to be proof of the grand theory he seems to have cooked up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnloch Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 (edited) OP turns this thread into a joke. Once a new gameworld starts all things will become dynamic and in flux. Really can't link these into a broken ME or scripted advantages to certain clubs. Edited June 15 by johnloch 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andu1 Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 Olympiakos beating Fiorentina doesnt seem that much of a surprise IRL tbh... It's not like Fiorentina is a top 4 team in Italy by any means.. They're more of a 6-8 team.. Some examples in here are far fetched.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Jef- Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 2 hours ago, andu1 said: Olympiakos beating Fiorentina doesnt seem that much of a surprise IRL tbh... It's not like Fiorentina is a top 4 team in Italy by any means.. They're more of a 6-8 team.. Some examples in here are far fetched.... And Olmypiakos finished THIRD in Greek Superleague. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadAss88 Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 On 11/06/2024 at 22:02, deltasfd11 said: update to this post. im not dreaming... this team benfica and porto keep destroying everyone since day. new save with arsenal and since first season day benfica is favorite against my top team arsenal where is this real? what kinds of things are this people smoking? using cheater data to make AI play training leads to this terrible thing. Destroying everyone yet they lost the first group match against Real Sociedad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 If OP returns, he is free to log a bug in the bug tracker. Other than that, there have been given many examples of real life games where the stronger team didn't win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fc.cadoni Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 (edited) On 15/06/2024 at 11:14, andu1 said: Olympiakos beating Fiorentina doesnt seem that much of a surprise IRL tbh... It's not like Fiorentina is a top 4 team in Italy by any means.. They're more of a 6-8 team.. Some examples in here are far fetched.... Yeah, a Greek team to play in EU final since 70s (was Panathinaikos vs Ajax, 53 years ago) with a league (Greek Super League) sitting 15th while Serie A is on Top 5 and while Olympiacos has been won against Aston Villa, a team from Premier League with triple budget - going to ECF final against Fiorentina; is something we see very year. And Olympiacos was finished 3rd in Greek Super League. Let's be serious. Edited June 21 by fc.cadoni Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andu1 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 (edited) 10 hours ago, fc.cadoni said: Yeah, a Greek team to play in EU final since 70s (was Panathinaikos vs Ajax, 53 years ago) with a league (Greek Super League) sitting 15th while Serie A is on Top 5 and while Olympiacos has been won against Aston Villa, a team from Premier League with triple budget - going to ECF final against Fiorentina; is something we see very year. And Olympiacos was finished 3rd in Greek Super League. Let's be serious. So what if Italy is a top 5 league? Fiorentina is definetly not a top 5 team. I ve just looked the highest they finished in the last 5 years is 7th. So yeah, i think any team that battles to win a league title in Greece can win against Fiorentina. Edited June 22 by andu1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NineCloudNine Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 1 hour ago, andu1 said: So yeah, i think any team that battles to win a league title in Greece can win against Fiorentina. Which they did. Can someone please remind me what this argument is about? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 34 minutes ago, NineCloudNine said: Which they did. Can someone please remind me what this argument is about? About how FM has impossible results I think. Maybe it’s better to lock the thread and leave it to OP to log a bug. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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