Nordan Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Not great but the Swiss are even worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
av3ry Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 5 years later we are at halftime. If I weren't in the pub I would have dozed off. Worse than Portugal Slovenia the other day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavelberry Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Kane needs offed doesn't he. This has looked better but Switzerland have looked quite dangerous as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 England look more likely to score. Keep playing like that and I think they'll win. Switzerland have absolutely nothing. A low quality group of players 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafuge Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 It wasn't amazing, but that looked better than the previous games. Wonder if someone like Gordon could do a job on the left like Saka on the right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnzy Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 I thought that was a decent half, much improved. Mainno, Foden and Saka doing well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantine Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 That was fun... England seems better. Still not good but better than they were in games so far. Switzerland looks stand off-ish, feels like they can take control of the game but are afraid of Saka so they don't want to risk it. Portugal drove me to sleep last night and, luckily, this game is scheduled bit earlier so I hope I get to the end of this one awake... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amazing Dale Watkins Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Just now, Nordan said: Not great but the Swiss are even worse. Yes, they have been dire. Where's the Swiss team that dominated Italy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 I'm still just baffled by any sort of logic to explain why England (and other big teams) can't play more attacking football. Yes there's fine margins, so what? There's fine margins playing like this too. England could blow any team anyway on form if they played risk taking football ffs. Someone explain why you can't play more adventurously? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 A big improvement. Firstly, Switzerland did sod all. We are pressing better. Foden is in the game in more dangerous positions , Bellingham isn't playing like a twit, saka is looking a threat, pleased with Mainoo, he's had two good forward runs already. Trippier offering nothing on the left and kane is labouring badly. Toney for Kane and Gordon for Trippier makes a big difference I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 "No shots on target but its significantly better" Did I hear that right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aiston Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 We are barely any better. Kane looks awful, can barely move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkSport Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Better shape out of ball, but still mundane with it because we have ZERO runners behind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastRed Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 2 minutes ago, Haguey said: International football so good and nothing is better or more important than an International tournament. Bin off half of the club games instead Understandable sentiment from a Blades fan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1 minute ago, EnterUsernameHere said: I'm still just baffled by any sort of logic to explain why England (and other big teams) can't play more attacking football. Yes there's fine margins, so what? There's fine margins playing like this too. England could blow any team anyway on form if they played risk taking football ffs. Someone explain why you can't play more adventurously? Fear of losing. France have it too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1 minute ago, Wavelberry said: Kane needs offed doesn't he. probably a bit far that, mate 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Just now, SouthCoastRed said: Understandable sentiment from a Blades fan Bin off all our games tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastRed Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 4 minutes ago, arenaross said: Show some balls Gareth resign!. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eenie Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1 minute ago, EnterUsernameHere said: I'm still just baffled by any sort of logic to explain why England (and other big teams) can't play more attacking football. Yes there's fine margins, so what? There's fine margins playing like this too. England could blow any team anyway on form if they played risk taking football ffs. Someone explain why you can't play more adventurously? You might lose. I think that's Gareth's mindset, fear of losing. Baffling with this group of players but there you go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Just now, JJ72 said: Fear of losing. France have it too. I get that but there's more chance of England losing 1-0 (or on pens) with this approach than if they played more offensively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 We need to keep this shape, and continue playing in their half in the second half. Need to pass it quicker, and be a little less risk adverse. But this is better. I blooming well hope we don't retreat ik the 2nd and play for ET. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
av3ry Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 I just spotted Declan Rice in the pub if you are wondering where he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 2 minutes ago, Ackter said: "No shots on target but its significantly better" Did I hear that right? Both things can be true, and both things are true. I don't think anybody is going to argue that was a wonderful performance, but it was absolutely much, much better than what we've shown since the first 10 minutes against Serbia. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martynlcfc Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 It's been better, We'd have likely looked even more coherent if Kane unhooked the caravan he's towing. So many times we've been in promising ish positions and his lack of movement has contributed to it getting closed down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 2 minutes ago, EnterUsernameHere said: I'm still just baffled by any sort of logic to explain why England (and other big teams) can't play more attacking football. Yes there's fine margins, so what? There's fine margins playing like this too. England could blow any team anyway on form if they played risk taking football ffs. Someone explain why you can't play more adventurously? It was the same with everyones darling Spain team, they went ahead playing nice football then spent the rest of the game and extra time grinding it out playing turgid stuff and were lucky to win it. Can't think of any team who can saunter through a tournament playing glorious football, even the tika taka stuff was defensive in nature because it was possession over everything 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Just now, EnterUsernameHere said: I get that but there's more chance of England losing 1-0 (or on pens) with this approach than if they played more offensively. Maybe but imagine the press meltdown when we lose because we throw it away attacking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 8 minutes ago, arenaross said: It's very Stevie G, "we're just relying on moments of individual magic". It's this, but I don't think Southgate understands why we aren't better 2 minutes ago, EnterUsernameHere said: I'm still just baffled by any sort of logic to explain why England (and other big teams) can't play more attacking football. Yes there's fine margins, so what? There's fine margins playing like this too. England could blow any team anyway on form if they played risk taking football ffs. Someone explain why you can't play more adventurously? You can, but when teams go out, it's a lot easier for managers to think that if they were a bit tighter the goal wouldn't happen, whereas in league football you drop 2 points for a draw. The silly thing for teams like England and France is that by playing like this they are more likely to go out on pens than if they tried to score and accepted the risk that the opposition would be slightly more likely to score. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 We pass the ball across the pitch a lot. I’d like to see us do that switch in one pass rather than 3 or 4… I think that would suit our current shape very well and give Saka some more 1v1 opportunities. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aiston Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 (edited) Switzerland know they only need to defend against our right. Get gordon on, make the Swiss have to worry about both sides. Edited July 6 by aiston 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavelberry Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 2 minutes ago, Smallen said: probably a bit far that, mate I've not compared him to anyone in the Third Reich yet... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantine Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1 minute ago, JJ72 said: Maybe but imagine the press meltdown when we lose because we throw it away attacking Press meltdown is coming either way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkSport Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 In this shape, I genuinely would have Gordon over Kane, and Bellingham to play the striker role and coming short. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1 minute ago, JJ72 said: Maybe but imagine the press meltdown when we lose because we throw it away attacking England are going to get slaughtered regardless of how they go out, unless it's something like a referee decision that eliminates them. I'd argue it would be even worse if the football on show was **** poor... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 It's so hard to watch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 I think we're marginally less crap, but it's barely perceptible. The big problem remains the left - Trippier can be skinned at will on that flank and offers zilch going forwards. Positionally he'll move players about, but he can only ever cut inside. It's not his fault - he's right footed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 (edited) We don't look as likely to concede in this match admittedly, but it's not good. Spain could play one touch triangles to open up some space, we are just pass, trap, look up, pass ad nauseum. It's why we have had about 2 crosses with any danger, we aren't moving it anywhere near quickly enough to create the dangerous situations out wide Edited July 6 by The_jagster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmeee17 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 In fairness we look better today than in any of the previous games. Need to offer more than just hoping Saka beats the 1v2 though because at some point they are going to realise and either triple team or kick the **** out of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 2 minutes ago, Smallen said: We pass the ball across the pitch a lot. I’d like to see us do that switch in one pass rather than 3 or 4… I think that would suit our current shape very well and give Saka some more 1v1 opportunities. Ha! We're watching the same game 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Just now, RTHerringbone said: I think we're marginally less crap, but it's barely perceptible. The big problem remains the left - Trippier can be skinned at will on that flank and offers zilch going forwards. Positionally he'll move players about, but he can only ever cut inside. It's not his fault - he's right footed. I'd argue why isn't a professional footballer able to play off both feet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 England got slaughtered for a 1-0 win over Serbia, might aswell do whatever we like if being scared of the home reaction has anything to do with how we play Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 2 minutes ago, aiston said: Get gordon on, make the Swiss have to worry about both sides. 87th minute sub Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1 minute ago, TalkSport said: In this shape, I genuinely would have Gordon over Kane, and Bellingham to play the striker role and coming short. I would honestly put Gordon in for Trippier. He's got great energy, tracks back, is quick, and can use his left foot. We'd be so much more balanced - imagine Saka's threat replicated on the left. We do not need to prioritise defensive stability at wing back. Gareth is just crapping it because Konsa only has a few caps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkSport Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Executed press perfectly? What the **** is Walcott watching Foden is doing a lone job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amazing Dale Watkins Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 2 minutes ago, Haguey said: It was the same with everyones darling Spain team, they went ahead playing nice football then spent the rest of the game and extra time grinding it out playing turgid stuff and were lucky to win it. Can't think of any team who can saunter through a tournament playing glorious football, even the tika taka stuff was defensive in nature because it was possession over everything It makes sense when you're protecting a lead. It doesn't make sense when you're in a knockout game against an objectively weaker opponent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tummyowl Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 They’ve all been told to be nicer about England. Enjoyed the comment just now about Saka, who is apparently not playing where they expected him to play… (note he is playing where he has played all tournament and plays week in week out for Arsenal) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Looking good so far. Feels a lot like the Germany game. Better to be 0-0 at half time with another couple of gears to go up, than it is to be 1-0 up and already digging in defending a lead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Just now, The Amazing Dale Watkins said: It makes sense when you're protecting a lead. It doesn't make sense when you're in a knockout game against an objectively weaker opponent. But they carried on the same way when Germany scored again. They won with a counter attack via a header, extremely un-Spain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 There's so much more potential in this team. But not with this manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1 minute ago, Haguey said: England got slaughtered for a 1-0 win over Serbia, might aswell do whatever we like if being scared of the home reaction has anything to do with how we play That's my point, although my idea of "whatever you like" is attacking football not this turgid nonsense that Gareth is serving up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lucas Posted July 6 Administrators Share Posted July 6 Here we go. Got my caffeine so I don’t fall asleep Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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