Garethjohn79 Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 1 hour ago, oche balboa said: Upset before hand. Don't know what he'd done earlier might explain the tears though as the Royals aren't known for being compassionate for each other's emotions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 Jair Bolsonaro will attend Elizabeth II’s funeral. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyosullivan Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 14 hours ago, Lucas said: Very good thread, hard to disagree and I think he made some valid and fair points about the institution, and the political attachment the Tories are trying to make with this. Thanks for sharing, found it a good read Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lucas Posted September 12, 2022 Administrators Share Posted September 12, 2022 Yeah me too. The 24/7 nature of the news about her death, and most of the news just asking subjects who are they and where they’ve come from and why are they there is far too much. So much going on just not being reported and we’ve not had a government really since June. Having said that I’m not surprised at all this. Had a taste of it with Phillip. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 bbc should be impartial, expecting 10 days of republican advocacy after next monday 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 8 hours ago, PMLF said: Jair Bolsonaro will attend Elizabeth II’s funeral. Aren't most leaders going to attend this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted September 12, 2022 Author Share Posted September 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, oche balboa said: Aren't most leaders going to attend this It's likely, but this is just confirmation from Brazil that the Brazilian President is attending? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titchuk Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 15 hours ago, Lucas said: Very good thread, hard to disagree and I think he made some valid and fair points about the institution, and the political attachment the Tories are trying to make with this. Sorry to be that bore again, but Truss isn't going to be accompanying King Charles on his tour, she's just attending some of the services - sounds like it might have been a misquote/misunderstanding. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/11/liz-truss-not-accompanying-king-charles-on-uk-tour-says-no-10 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter G Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 20 hours ago, Rob1981 said: I’m trying not to bite every time BG posts something inane from his social media. But I genuinely can’t see what we’re supposed to be outraged by there. He’s literally just asking someone off camera to move the ink well so he doesn’t knock it off the table with his arm when he signs the document. The second clip he is even masking a smile about it. Hardly the act of a tyrant. Given the way we have traditions in this country I have no doubt he would have happily moved it himself. However, someone, somewhere has been given the role to clear the table no doubt as they have throughout history. So to do so would take that away from them even if it is archaic and a bit silly. His first act should be to get a bigger desk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 not confirmed but it looks like games will happen this weekend but just not in London due to obvious reasons, Spurs V Leicester probably at risk, maybe Brentford's home game as well V Arsenal Brighton V Palace is off due to rail strikes which don't exist any more so I've no idea what's going on with that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Wonder if London games will be allowed if away fans are banned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lucas Posted September 12, 2022 Administrators Share Posted September 12, 2022 Bit of a shambles isn't it? How are fans supposed to plan or not if they are just waiting for clubs to be told by police if its going forward or not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Just now, Lucas said: Bit of a shambles isn't it? How are fans supposed to plan or not if they are just waiting for clubs to be told by police if its going forward or not? Tomorrows matches are not confirmed yet either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Rangers' decision to ban away fans from their Champions League clash with Napoli will allow the police to send 90 per cent fewer officers, as forces remain stretched due to restrictions with policing resources after the death of Queen Elizabeth II. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butts Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 19 hours ago, Coulthard's Jaw said: On twitter he claims he was taken to St. Aldates police station, a police station that doesn't have a custody suite. In his blog post he claims it was all dealt with in the back of the van and he was de-arrested. Sounds more to me like he was taken away for his own safety and is now crying wolf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastRed Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Butts said: On twitter he claims he was taken to St. Aldates police station, a police station that doesn't have a custody suite. In his blog post he claims it was all dealt with in the back of the van and he was de-arrested. Sounds more to me like he was taken away for his own safety and is now crying wolf. Or just out and out lying Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lucas Posted September 12, 2022 Administrators Share Posted September 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Butts said: On twitter he claims he was taken to St. Aldates police station, a police station that doesn't have a custody suite. In his blog post he claims it was all dealt with in the back of the van and he was de-arrested. Sounds more to me like he was taken away for his own safety and is now crying wolf. Bit scummy to be lying if that's the case tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 (edited) Well, no. He was arrested: A Thames Valley police spokesperson said: “A 45-year-old man was arrested in connection with a disturbance that was caused during the county proclamation ceremony of King Charles III in Oxford. “He has subsequently been de-arrested and is engaging with us voluntarily as we investigate a public order offence. The man was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence [under section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986].” Section 5 applies to behaviour deemed likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress. Guardian link Edited September 12, 2022 by ginnybob 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 So does that mean he wasn't detained under the new bill? Because that's what his Tweet claimed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, The_jagster said: So does that mean he wasn't detained under the new bill? Because that's what his Tweet claimed. Sounds like he was detained under the 'old' law... Hard to say since his tweet and blog don't quite match up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 His Blog seems to have "Scenes missing" from the truth. I suspect he was causing a disturbance which caused a lot of problems Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 (edited) Or the police have been completely heavy handed and it's a problematic response to someone voicing their views. @enigmatic appears to have been there and it doesn't sound like he was being overly loud/violent/whatever? Edited September 12, 2022 by ginnybob 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butts Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said: Sounds like he was detained under the 'old' law... Hard to say since his tweet and blog don't quite match up. Section 5 would also suggest he was arrested for his reaction to those around him rather than shouting "who elected him?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 There's absolutely every chance the police have been heavy handed tbh. We've seen it many, many times. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Just now, Butts said: Section 5 would also suggest he was arrested for his reaction to those around him rather than shouting "who elected him?" Yep, this is the bit we need to know about. If he's then kicked off at the people around Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butts Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said: There's absolutely every chance the police have been heavy handed tbh. We've seen it many, many times. I would say there's every chance that both things are true, the police have probably been heavy handed and this fella has spotted his chance for a bit of publicity to further his cause. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, Butts said: I would say there's every chance that both things are true, the police have probably been heavy handed and this fella has spotted his chance for a bit of publicity to further his cause. Only one of those things is a problem though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InigoPatinkin Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 There's a very good chance the police have absolutely no clue under what law he was detained, when has that ever been a necessary justification for them to act before? 'Get them in the van then sort it out at the station' is basically how they operate. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Two things: 1. Unsurprisingly, inheritance tax does not apply to the royals, which shouldn't go down well in this climate but I bet it will 2. The woman arrested for having a sign that said abolish monarchy also had F*CK written on it in massive letters so maybe she was detained for that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc91 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 43 minutes ago, Coulthard's Jaw said: Wonder if London games will be allowed if away fans are banned. It's not even like there wouldn't be fans of away clubs that are from or live in London, and also the same for London clubs, friend of mine has a season ticket at Spurs and travels from Manchester for each game, for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ackter said: Two things: 1. Unsurprisingly, inheritance tax does not apply to the royals, which shouldn't go down well in this climate but I bet it will 2. The woman arrested for having a sign that said abolish monarchy also had F*CK written on it in massive letters so maybe she was detained for that? That wouldn't be the first time someone has been arrested for that (the extremely prominent swearing) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 @Ackter she's been charged with breach of the peace Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 So she was probably shouting **** quite a lot too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
profii Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 It sounds like he decided to express his view which upset other members of the public attending the event I would guess he was probably asked to leave and perhaps decided not to, stating he just wanted to express his opinion. I would also guess the police interpret that as non-compliance and decided to arrest him and de-arrest him relatively promptly, thats probably their quickest route to removing him from the event 'lawfully' I'm not condoning what they did but that seems like a logical way that situation would play out. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthahols_for_Girls Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 19 minutes ago, Ackter said: Two things: 1. Unsurprisingly, inheritance tax does not apply to the royals, which shouldn't go down well in this climate but I bet it will Did you miss the bit yesterday where amongst his other oaths Charles ceded all the revenues from the crown's properties to the treasury in return for the sovereign grant the crown retains ownership of those properties in name only, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 I have no idea what that means, but yes i did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, Ackter said: So she was probably shouting **** quite a lot too. Yeah. I think that's almost certainly a different scenario to Oxford where it sounds like the police have been heavy handed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, profii said: It sounds like he decided to express his view which upset other members of the public attending the event I would guess he was probably asked to leave and perhaps decided not to, stating he just wanted to express his opinion. I would also guess the police interpret that as non-compliance and decided to arrest him and de-arrest him relatively promptly, thats probably their quickest route to removing him from the event 'lawfully' I'm not condoning what they did but that seems like a logical way that situation would play out. He doesn't need to comply with the police, only with the law. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
profii Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Just now, themadsheep2001 said: He doesn't need to comply with the police, only with the law. well the police probably said you need to comply with us because the law you are breaking is BoP (whilst applying a very low threshold to what peace actually constitutes) As I said, not agreeing with it, but I can see how they would interpret/apply the law to get they outcome they want here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthahols_for_Girls Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, Ackter said: I have no idea what that means, but yes i did. Ok Simple explanationhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-57559653 The crown estate essentially has a similar legal status to the crown jewels 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 10 minutes ago, profii said: well the police probably said you need to comply with us because the law you are breaking is BoP (whilst applying a very low threshold to what peace actually constitutes) As I said, not agreeing with it, but I can see how they would interpret/apply the law to get they outcome they want here. The problem is precisely how they interpret the law to get the outcome they want. We can see why and how they have done it. What matters is whether it's right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 And the crown estate provides the government with a hell of a lot more money than they pay out as the sovereign grant I believe. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 if we got rid of the monarchy the crown estate would be owned by the state, not the windsors, so that's really neither here nor there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons FC Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 17 minutes ago, Harryseaess said: And the crown estate provides the government with a hell of a lot more money than they pay out as the sovereign grant I believe. In the last year figures are available (2021/22), the Crown Estates made a net profit of £313 million - the Royal Grant for the same period is £43 million. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrw072 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 1 hour ago, oche balboa said: Tomorrows matches are not confirmed yet either I think they'll be on as the National League are playing fixtures from this evening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 It's like going to a funeral and pissing on the widow, its not surprising people are being lead away from it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 9 minutes ago, Coulthard's Jaw said: Why is "my King" all one word? What an illiterate loser. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, Ackter said: It's like going to a funeral and pissing on the widow, its not surprising people are being lead away from it. Today is not the day of the funeral, though? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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