skybluedave Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 37 minutes ago, Rafalution said: i didn't even realise we were playing. how were we? 2nd half good, first half not so good 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 I thought TAA did much more than just score a goal. He was playing lots of progressive and accurate passes; always offers a set-piece threat too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 4 Author Share Posted June 4 Just now, RTHerringbone said: I thought TAA did much more than just score a goal. He was playing lots of progressive and accurate passes; always offers a set-piece threat too. Yeah, he looked MUCH better later in the game once they’d started to switch positions around. But when we’ve got Walker, we don’t need another overlapping RB in the first eleven. We need a CM that can do the simple stuff alongside Bellingham and Rice and make sure we can keep hold of the ball against a top side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 Rooney 2004: World At His Feet On BBC iPlayer https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001ztdn/rooney-2004-world-at-his-feet?at_mid=jvHAMm02CP&at_audience_id=SS&at_product=iplayer&at_brand=m001ztdn&at_ptr_type=media&at_format=image&at_objective=consumption&at_bbc_team=BBC I haven't watched it yet, but I remember his performances in 2004 like it was yesterday. He was just electric - never seen anything like it, before or since. He thrilled us watching, as much as he terrified the opposition every time he got anywhere near the ball. What a phenomenon teenage Rooney was. Looking forward to watching it later. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 5 Author Share Posted June 5 Jolly’s take on the third midfielder conundrum. tl:dr - We’ve tried TAA, Gallagher, Mainoo and Wharton but we aren’t sure who is best. And Curtis Jones doesn’t get a mention at all here, even though he is probably going to feature against Iceland on Friday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 On 04/06/2024 at 10:39, RTHerringbone said: I thought TAA did much more than just score a goal. He was playing lots of progressive and accurate passes; always offers a set-piece threat too. He was excellent with his passing and movement in the second half and poor in the first half, although he wasn't the only one. Definitely better at fullback though, especially if our fullback options are Konsa and Trippier on his wrong side... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 I think that’s fair tbh. You’ve got Bellingham, Palmer and Foden ahead of him for that position and arguably Eze is a better/more in form option atm too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 He didn't end the season well and I don't really know where he fits in an England XI. Not good enough for wide left, doesn't fit in a midfield three, and he's probably third choice at best if England play a No.10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 Not a giant surprise, was one of the names people were pointing out straight away might not make it. Thought he had a good showing in his cameo on Monday and he'd have been a good option but we've got plenty of good attacking bench options so someone had to miss out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 Good player, unfortunate to be around when we are stacked in any position he would be useful in so fair enough really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebs Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 Needs a summer off, wasn't the same since his injury and better options ahead of him. If he has a stellar season next year he'll be back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 5 Author Share Posted June 5 Dunno what the plan is on Friday. We have the Iceland game which won’t finish until about 10pm, but then the UEFA squad deadline is at midnight. Doesn’t leave us much scope to base any final decisions on who does or doesn’t perform on the night. So you would think maybe the players are already going to know before KO whether they are in or not?? Not sure. Maybe would have been better playing Sunday/Thursday and not Monday/Friday, then it would have given us 24 hours breathing space between the second friendly and submitting the list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lucas Posted June 5 Administrators Share Posted June 5 1 minute ago, Rob1981 said: Dunno what the plan is on Friday. We have the Iceland game which won’t finish until about 10pm, but then the UEFA squad deadline is at midnight. Doesn’t leave us much scope to base any final decisions on who does or doesn’t perform on the night. So you would think maybe the players are already going to know before KO whether they are in or not?? Not sure. Maybe would have been better playing Sunday/Thursday and not Monday/Friday, then it would have given us 24 hours breathing space between the second friendly and submitting the list. Wouldn't be surprised if those being dropped get some game time then. No real point risking first team players with the list basically sent off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkSport Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 On 04/06/2024 at 05:43, Rob1981 said: Yeah, he looked MUCH better later in the game once they’d started to switch positions around. But when we’ve got Walker, we don’t need another overlapping RB in the first eleven. We need a CM that can do the simple stuff alongside Bellingham and Rice and make sure we can keep hold of the ball against a top side. TAA coming inside as an inverted RB, allows us to keep hold of the ball. Especially if the LB ends up being basically a CB, like a Gomez. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 8 hours ago, Rob1981 said: Dunno what the plan is on Friday. We have the Iceland game which won’t finish until about 10pm, but then the UEFA squad deadline is at midnight. Doesn’t leave us much scope to base any final decisions on who does or doesn’t perform on the night. So you would think maybe the players are already going to know before KO whether they are in or not?? Not sure. Maybe would have been better playing Sunday/Thursday and not Monday/Friday, then it would have given us 24 hours breathing space between the second friendly and submitting the list. Southgate will already know his squad by now, regardless of performances on Friday IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 6 Author Share Posted June 6 5 minutes ago, Harryseaess said: Southgate will already know his squad by now, regardless of performances on Friday IMO. Yeah, probably right. But then did the likes of Curtis Jones and Ivan Toney really ever have a chance of making it? If they didn’t play the other night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 2 minutes ago, Rob1981 said: Yeah, probably right. But then did the likes of Curtis Jones and Ivan Toney really ever have a chance of making it? If they didn’t play the other night. Probably not. I think it's just the safer way to play the media than leaving them out from the provisional squad, show that they've been considered but ultimately won't make it. I'm interested to see if Grealish goes, he shouldn't for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhikapp Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Maddison being cut is harsh but fair. Had the squad been decided in December, he was a lock. Just unlucky with injuries, not regaining his fantastic early-season form, and seeing Palmer & Eze become better options in his position. Are we really gonna see Maddison end up having less caps than Lingard? That's mad though. Also, expected Quansah getting cut, too many CBs already in the 33 and he's the least experienced. But I thought Gareth's big-team bias might've had Jones over Wharton. Gareth might have made consecutive correct big decisions recently with Henderson, Rashford, Phillips, Chilwell, now Maddison and Jones too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastRed Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 9 hours ago, Lucas said: Wouldn't be surprised if those being dropped get some game time then. No real point risking first team players with the list basically sent off. Logical, with that in mind though has Maddison stomped off in a huff? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 6 Author Share Posted June 6 13 minutes ago, SouthCoastRed said: Logical, with that in mind though has Maddison stomped off in a huff? Possibly, I saw a tweet saying he had changed “Tottenham and England” to just “Tottenham” on the bio on his socials. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillHoward42 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 On 04/06/2024 at 16:42, Bliss Seeker said: Rooney 2004: World At His Feet On BBC iPlayer https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001ztdn/rooney-2004-world-at-his-feet?at_mid=jvHAMm02CP&at_audience_id=SS&at_product=iplayer&at_brand=m001ztdn&at_ptr_type=media&at_format=image&at_objective=consumption&at_bbc_team=BBC I haven't watched it yet, but I remember his performances in 2004 like it was yesterday. He was just electric - never seen anything like it, before or since. He thrilled us watching, as much as he terrified the opposition every time he got anywhere near the ball. What a phenomenon teenage Rooney was. Looking forward to watching it later. Watched this last night. Really should have beaten Portugal... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 6 Author Share Posted June 6 Anyway. Maddison is gone and the press stuff about Curtis Jones and Quansah being gone is probably correct... so that leaves: Goalkeepers: Dean Henderson (Crystal Palace), Jordan Pickford (Everton), Aaron Ramsdale (Arsenal), James Trafford (Burnley) Defenders: Jarrad Branthwaite (Everton), Lewis Dunk (Brighton), Joe Gomez (Liverpool), Marc Guéhi (Crystal Palace), Ezri Konsa (Aston Villa), Harry Maguire (Man Utd), Jarrell Quansah (Liverpool), Luke Shaw (Man Utd), John Stones (Man City), Kieran Trippier (Newcastle), Kyle Walker (Man City) Midfielders: Trent Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool), Jude Bellingham (Real Madrid), Conor Gallagher (Chelsea), Curtis Jones (Liverpool), James Maddison (Tottenham), Kobbie Mainoo (Man Utd), Declan Rice (Arsenal), Adam Wharton (Crystal Palace) Forwards: Jarrod Bowen (West Ham), Eberechi Eze (Crystal Palace), Phil Foden (Man City), Anthony Gordon (Newcastle), Jack Grealish (Man City), Harry Kane (Bayern Munich), Cole Palmer (Chelsea), Bukayo Saka (Arsenal), Ivan Toney (Brentford), Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa) With four more to cut. Probably lose Trafford, Toney, Branthwaite/Dunk and maybe Gordon/Grealish? Or maybe they drop both defenders if we are more confident Luke Shaw can play some part. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhikapp Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Rob1981 said: Anyway. Maddison is gone and the press stuff about Curtis Jones and Quansah being gone is probably correct... so that leaves: Goalkeepers: Dean Henderson (Crystal Palace), Jordan Pickford (Everton), Aaron Ramsdale (Arsenal), James Trafford (Burnley) Defenders: Jarrad Branthwaite (Everton), Lewis Dunk (Brighton), Joe Gomez (Liverpool), Marc Guéhi (Crystal Palace), Ezri Konsa (Aston Villa), Harry Maguire (Man Utd), Jarrell Quansah (Liverpool), Luke Shaw (Man Utd), John Stones (Man City), Kieran Trippier (Newcastle), Kyle Walker (Man City) Midfielders: Trent Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool), Jude Bellingham (Real Madrid), Conor Gallagher (Chelsea), Curtis Jones (Liverpool), James Maddison (Tottenham), Kobbie Mainoo (Man Utd), Declan Rice (Arsenal), Adam Wharton (Crystal Palace) Forwards: Jarrod Bowen (West Ham), Eberechi Eze (Crystal Palace), Phil Foden (Man City), Anthony Gordon (Newcastle), Jack Grealish (Man City), Harry Kane (Bayern Munich), Cole Palmer (Chelsea), Bukayo Saka (Arsenal), Ivan Toney (Brentford), Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa) With four more to cut. Probably lose Trafford, Toney, Branthwaite/Dunk and maybe Gordon/Grealish? Or maybe they drop both defenders if we are more confident Luke Shaw can play some part. Gordon will definitely go. Grealish played himself into contention. It's Bowen and Toney who I think will get cut with Trafford and one more CB. Edited June 6 by adhikapp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 I think I'd drop Trafford, Toney, Dunk (just because I'd rather we start to commit to Branthwaite for the future) and the last one is much tougher to call but I'm edging towards Bowen. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Surely Rice, Trent, Gallagher, Mainoo & Wharton is overkill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hilly_boro Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Trafford, Bowen and Toney for me the ones getting culled along with Konsa or Dunk if Shaw is fit or Shaw if he isn't. Can't see Gareth culling more than one defender, and the wide positions are too full. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hilly_boro Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 7 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said: Surely Rice, Trent, Gallagher, Mainoo & Wharton is overkill I think it is but can't see him not taking Trent. Rice and Gallagher he'll definitely be taking so then its between Mainoo and Wharton. Still think he'll bin Bowen and Toney off rather than one of the CM's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 6 Author Share Posted June 6 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said: Surely Rice, Trent, Gallagher, Mainoo & Wharton is overkill Is it? It terrifies me how thin we look there. TAA still isn't convincing in that position, Gallagher looks like he will get overrun or sent off as soon as we play anyone decent. The others are totally new to it. If anything happens to Rice we are ****ed. He is more important now than Kane, Bellingham, Foden, Stones, Saka... all of them. Just because the backup option simply isn't there. But you lot all said we didn't need Henderson. Edited June 6 by Rob1981 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 5 players for two positions, one of whom is really a fullback (and should be playing there), and one of whom is a youngster whose game time was carefully managed this season doesn't feel like overkill compared with two players to back up and unstoppable striker. We don't need Hendo though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 6 Author Share Posted June 6 Yeah, I think he will take them all if TAA is covering RB as well (and looks better there). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 47 minutes ago, Rob1981 said: Anyway. Maddison is gone and the press stuff about Curtis Jones and Quansah being gone is probably correct... so that leaves: Goalkeepers: Dean Henderson (Crystal Palace), Jordan Pickford (Everton), Aaron Ramsdale (Arsenal), James Trafford (Burnley) Defenders: Jarrad Branthwaite (Everton), Lewis Dunk (Brighton), Joe Gomez (Liverpool), Marc Guéhi (Crystal Palace), Ezri Konsa (Aston Villa), Harry Maguire (Man Utd), Jarrell Quansah (Liverpool), Luke Shaw (Man Utd), John Stones (Man City), Kieran Trippier (Newcastle), Kyle Walker (Man City) Midfielders: Trent Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool), Jude Bellingham (Real Madrid), Conor Gallagher (Chelsea), Curtis Jones (Liverpool), James Maddison (Tottenham), Kobbie Mainoo (Man Utd), Declan Rice (Arsenal), Adam Wharton (Crystal Palace) Forwards: Jarrod Bowen (West Ham), Eberechi Eze (Crystal Palace), Phil Foden (Man City), Anthony Gordon (Newcastle), Jack Grealish (Man City), Harry Kane (Bayern Munich), Cole Palmer (Chelsea), Bukayo Saka (Arsenal), Ivan Toney (Brentford), Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa) With four more to cut. Probably lose Trafford, Toney, Branthwaite/Dunk and maybe Gordon/Grealish? Or maybe they drop both defenders if we are more confident Luke Shaw can play some part. Trafford, Grealish, Branthwaite, Toney. Dunk will make it just Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 33 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said: Surely Rice, Trent, Gallagher, Mainoo & Wharton is overkill If it was 23 man squad maybe but with 26 and with how thin we are there as Rob has pointed out I don't think it's overkill at all especially as TAA covers more than one position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titchuk Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Unless Dunk is a really great lad to have behind the scenes surely you're better off taking Branthwaite; neither of them are going to get much gametime but Branthwaite has multiple tournaments ahead of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 6 Author Share Posted June 6 3 minutes ago, titchuk said: surely you're better off taking Branthwaite; neither of them are going to get much gametime but Branthwaite has multiple tournaments ahead of him. Maybe ought to take Trafford over Henderson as the third GK for the same reason... Although Dean Henderson is only 27 himself, whereas Dunk is 32. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 You guys know better, but wouldn't taking Branthwaite as the only left-footed CB be a no-brainer? Especially considering left-back situation and potential emergency. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 45 minutes ago, Rob1981 said: Maybe ought to take Trafford over Henderson as the third GK for the same reason... Although Dean Henderson is only 27 himself, whereas Dunk is 32. Depends how much of a difference there is in quality. Between Dunk/Branthwaite is there that much of a quality gap? Whereas between Henderson and Trafford I think there's a bigger gap. Though tbf my opinion is a bit moot given I've really not seen a significant amount of PL football this season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 1 hour ago, Barry Cartman said: Surely Rice, Trent, Gallagher, Mainoo & Wharton is overkill Don't think so at all. Especially if Trent fills in at right back. Not as much overkill as Stones, Maguire, Guehi, Dunk, Branthwaite, Konsa, Gomez. I know some cover full back but we could defo lose at least 1 of those Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 24 minutes ago, Pukey said: Depends how much of a difference there is in quality. Between Dunk/Branthwaite is there that much of a quality gap? Whereas between Henderson and Trafford I think there's a bigger gap. Though tbf my opinion is a bit moot given I've really not seen a significant amount of PL football this season General consensus seems to be that Trafford has been terrible and is extremely lucky there aren't many fit alternatives. Given that Pickford, Ramsdale and Dean Hendo (and Pope/Johnstone) will be around for many years yet there probably will be (or Trafford himself will be a much better player) by the time we need a new number 1 to start games. The other case for Braithwaite over Dunk is versatility (and Dunk's lack of pace meaning we'd probably be happier with a Braithwaite/Maguire partnership than a Maguire/Dunk one if we had an injury crisis). That said, I haven't been impressed with the little bit of Braithwaite I've seen this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crispypaul Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Trafford usually ends up decent in FM if that's any comfort (for him) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 6 Author Share Posted June 6 Curtis Jones has left the squad as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 9 hours ago, pearcey_90 said: TAA coming inside as an inverted RB, allows us to keep hold of the ball. Especially if the LB ends up being basically a CB, like a Gomez. With the lack of a specialist LB, we may as well invert Trent from there instead and play Walker at right back so that we've got some actual pace back there. I am going to keep beating this drum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkSport Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Some chatter that Maguire won’t make it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillHoward42 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Just now, pearcey_90 said: Some chatter that Maguire won’t make it. Can only assume this would be down to injury Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 (edited) 23 minutes ago, pearcey_90 said: Some chatter that Maguire won’t make it. Would make it the perfect squad Edited June 6 by Barry Cartman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 4 hours ago, SouthCoastRed said: Logical, with that in mind though has Maddison stomped off in a huff? Definitely don't have any issue with a player leaving at this point - can't be easy with loads more around who know they are going to the Euros and you've been told you're not. Sure you can talk about professionalism and getting on with it and whatever, but its not like its just regular training when you're away at a camp. Probably best for everyone if those players that want to leave are left to do so, and shouldn't impact future choices Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Not really a big fan of taking Wharton - he's gonna be last choice out of the CMs and I'd rather have an experienced head at that point. Definitely don't want a Wharton/Mainoo pair and I'd rather the latter was getting the minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 James Maddison @Madders10 Devastated doesn’t quite cut it. Trained well and worked hard all week but if I’m honest with myself, my form for Spurs when coming back from injury in the second half of the season probably wasn’t at the levels I had set which gave Gareth a decision to make. I still thought there would be a space for me in a 26 man squad as I feel I bring something different & had been a mainstay in this whole qualifying campaign for Euro 2024 in Germany but the manager has made the decision and I have to respect that. I’ll be back, I have no doubt. Wishing the boys all the luck in the world out in Germany, unbelievable group and lads that I literally call some of my best friends. I genuinely hope football comes home 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 He's not good enough to warrant an inclusion as a specialist number 10. He's not versatile like the other options that can play there. With Bellingham he can play deeper as well if needed, Palmer can play wide, and so can Foden and Eze. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 46 minutes ago, Rafalution said: Not really a big fan of taking Wharton - he's gonna be last choice out of the CMs and I'd rather have an experienced head at that point. Definitely don't want a Wharton/Mainoo pair and I'd rather the latter was getting the minutes. I'm pretty happy with Mainoo being subbed when it doesn't matter or rotated out of a dead rubber (for someone that's not Gallagher) ETH seemed to think it was necessary to give him a bit more rest than some of his teammates and often took him off, and I don't think that was one of his quirkier views. Could have taken Jones instead of course, but I'm guessing fitness is playing a significant role in why he's going home - Think Maddison was going home the moment a rival for his squad place teed him up for what should have been a goal in his friendly cameo and he lost his balance instead. Wasn't going to get into one of the most competitive squad slots on the basis of a handful of other appearances or his late season form either, and Eze and Grealish both had a few really good moments. Guess Gareth's basically decided who's getting game time in the next friendly to prove themself, and it's not him (or Jones or Quansah) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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