XuluBak Posted Monday at 19:44 Share Posted Monday at 19:44 4 minutes ago, Baptista_8 said: All becomes a pointless discussion though don't it cos we all know Southgate won't change it. I mean, it’s a message board. Pretty sure wasting one’s time is just about the only point really. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smallen Posted Monday at 19:46 Popular Post Share Posted Monday at 19:46 6 minutes ago, Baptista_8 said: All becomes a pointless discussion let me tell you something about posting anything on a niche subforum in a deep corner of the internet… 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted Monday at 19:47 Share Posted Monday at 19:47 2 minutes ago, XuluBak said: I mean, it’s a message board. Pretty sure wasting one’s time is just about the only point really. Just now, Smallen said: let me tell you something about posting anything on a niche subforum in a deep corner of the internet… Carry on, don't mind me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vynal Seven Posted Monday at 22:58 Share Posted Monday at 22:58 3 hours ago, XuluBak said: I mean, it’s a message board. Pretty sure wasting one’s time is just about the only point really. 3 hours ago, Smallen said: let me tell you something about posting anything on a niche subforum in a deep corner of the internet… That’s not true at all. Rob’s assured me that Southgate only dropped Phillips, Henderson and Maguire and is starting Foden because we made him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmeee17 Posted Tuesday at 03:13 Share Posted Tuesday at 03:13 Nobody's going to completely change the formation in the knockout stages of a major tournament. Even in club football where you have more time managers usually just choose their favored formation and largely stick with it with a few tweaks here and there. So the best we can hope for is Southgate moving/dropping Foden but he's not even going to do that. Expect Konsa for Guehi and that's probably it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arenaross Posted Tuesday at 07:16 Share Posted Tuesday at 07:16 They've suffered enough. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted Tuesday at 07:49 Author Share Posted Tuesday at 07:49 8 hours ago, Vynal Seven said: Rob’s assured me that Southgate only dropped Phillips, Henderson and Maguire and is starting Foden because we made him. I think he MIGHT have reacted to some of the outside noise around the squad selection. I’m not holding OTF solely responsible. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigus89 Posted Tuesday at 10:10 Share Posted Tuesday at 10:10 Agreed with the above posts about not expecting changes to things now. He will start the exact same team except for suspensions (Guehi) and possible injuries (Trippier). Anything else he does change is a bonus. I do think yesterdays games were notable though. The only favourite team that has truly impressed so far is Spain. They look fluid and well organised. Germany look decent too, and of course Austria seem to be punching above their weight. But the rest of the teams touted for success are also having similar struggles. Italy - terrible, now out. Portugal - also couldn't score against Slovenia, didn't look great. France - still not scored in open play apart from an OG, struggling to get things working. Belgium - bad, now out. Netherland - not looking great either. I still think we have looked pretty bad, but I'm more optimistic that we could actually get somewhere in this tournament, as other teams have similar struggles and the competition isn't exactly thrilling. It is still depressing to watch, and I'm convinced Southgate has had his time and we need change for the future. If anything this has just sharpened the focus on how much worse international football is compared to club, the majority of games really are pretty dull affairs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted Tuesday at 17:10 Share Posted Tuesday at 17:10 Guéhi did his shoulder during the game apparently and needed painkiller injections at HT to get through the game. So could be a doubt for Saturday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1983 Posted Tuesday at 17:12 Share Posted Tuesday at 17:12 He's suspended anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VP. Posted Tuesday at 17:19 Share Posted Tuesday at 17:19 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Heartwork said: Guéhi did his shoulder during the game apparently and needed painkiller injections at HT to get through the game. So could be a doubt for Saturday. Yeah he's suspended but this was also why he was unable to get back quickly for the Slovakia goal, though no one seemed to notice that and just criticised him... Edited Tuesday at 17:19 by VP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted Tuesday at 17:24 Share Posted Tuesday at 17:24 11 minutes ago, darren1983 said: He's suspended anyway. At least it's a chance to rest on the off chance we go through Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1983 Posted Tuesday at 17:28 Share Posted Tuesday at 17:28 "off chance" ****ing hell 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkSport Posted Tuesday at 17:32 Share Posted Tuesday at 17:32 12 minutes ago, VP. said: Yeah he's suspended but this was also why he was unable to get back quickly for the Slovakia goal, though no one seemed to notice that and just criticised him... Criticism was neither him nor Stones took control. Only they both know who was at fault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VP. Posted Tuesday at 17:39 Share Posted Tuesday at 17:39 (edited) 7 minutes ago, TalkSport said: Criticism was neither him nor Stones took control. Only they both know who was at fault. Guehi got pleny of criticism in here for not tracking the runner, when he was struggling to run himself. Stones goes to challenge for the ball, then decides not to and then allows the player all the time in the world to play the pass through. Edited Tuesday at 17:39 by VP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted Tuesday at 18:31 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:31 Guehi has been a revelation for me. Quality defender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted Tuesday at 18:54 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:54 He's a good player but has made a fair few bad errors, but then again, who hasn't Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted Tuesday at 19:38 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:38 (edited) He's done what's he's had to do, but hardly been challenged much. Been one of our better players, but that doesn't mean anything. Positioning and defensively hes obviously very good, but im not impressed with him on the ball. He never looks confident, takes far too long to pick a pass, too hesitant and too slow. Makes me long for Harry Maguire's ability to pass through the lines and progress with the ball. Not all his fault, the shape is obviously all over the place, but when you touch the ball over 50-70 times in every game so far and all you've got to show for it are passes backwards and sideways, I wouldn't say that was that particularly good. Edited Tuesday at 19:38 by Bliss Seeker 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted Tuesday at 20:00 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:00 2 hours ago, darren1983 said: "off chance" ****ing hell Gareth Southgate's devil luck is really cutting it fine at the moment and the Swiss haven't been bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigwig Posted Tuesday at 20:10 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:10 Guehi’s made the kind of errors that Dunk was getting punished for, but he’s got away with them so far. Still think his overall game has been fine though. Would love us to sign him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted Tuesday at 21:35 Share Posted Tuesday at 21:35 1 hour ago, Bliss Seeker said: He's done what's he's had to do, but hardly been challenged much. Been one of our better players, but that doesn't mean anything. Positioning and defensively hes obviously very good, but im not impressed with him on the ball. He never looks confident, takes far too long to pick a pass, too hesitant and too slow. Makes me long for Harry Maguire's ability to pass through the lines and progress with the ball. Not all his fault, the shape is obviously all over the place, but when you touch the ball over 50-70 times in every game so far and all you've got to show for it are passes backwards and sideways, I wouldn't say that was that particularly good. I miss Maguire's passing through the lines as well. We've not seen anywhere near enough of that from anyone! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted Tuesday at 22:14 Share Posted Tuesday at 22:14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted Wednesday at 07:32 Author Share Posted Wednesday at 07:32 Oh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted Wednesday at 13:44 Author Share Posted Wednesday at 13:44 OPTA have it slightly differently. Giving us more of a chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arenaross Posted Wednesday at 18:29 Share Posted Wednesday at 18:29 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuko Posted Wednesday at 18:37 Share Posted Wednesday at 18:37 4 hours ago, Rob1981 said: OPTA have it slightly differently. Giving us more of a chance. England has the highest chances to reach the final but will be outsiders against any of the other 4. The other side is plain crazy, but I don't see how Spain are favorites against hosts Germany. It should be a 50-50 affair. And neither that side is going to be favorites against France. Portugal are the outsiders but apart from the CR7-has-to-score fetish, they look like the most composed team of the tournament. Whoever gets to the final from that path will probably have muscle injuries to worry about, fatigue and potential injuries. England's job is quite easy, the Slovakia game should be a boost based on how it ended rather than a warning bell based on how it went till the equalizer. Momentum for England and I think England beats Switzerland easily, something like 3-0, then Turkey might sneak into the semis who won't pose as much of a threat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkSport Posted Wednesday at 19:42 Share Posted Wednesday at 19:42 1 hour ago, arenaross said: On 01/07/2024 at 16:03, TalkSport said: Walker-Stones-Konsa Trippier - Mainoo - Rice - Saka Foden Kane - Bellingham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted Wednesday at 19:52 Share Posted Wednesday at 19:52 (edited) 1 hour ago, arenaross said: Imagine if a time traveller went back to the last Euros or even the last World Cup and explained that Southgate has responded to calls to use alternatives to out of form Rashford, Sterling, Phillips and Maguire with terrible consequences for ball progression and attacking options, everyone's furious with the possession-oriented 4-2-3-1 that gives Foden and Bellingham freedom to drift around creating stuff, but now Gareth is considering a back three with Saka at left wingback against Switzerland, many fans are relieved Edited Wednesday at 19:54 by enigmatic 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted Wednesday at 19:55 Share Posted Wednesday at 19:55 11 minutes ago, TalkSport said: Saka at LWB? Conte with a tear in his eye. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted Wednesday at 19:59 Share Posted Wednesday at 19:59 Not gonna progress the ball with Declan Rice as a 6. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted Wednesday at 21:40 Share Posted Wednesday at 21:40 1 hour ago, TalkSport said: Would be very Southgate if he switches to wing backs and still doesn't pick Trent. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted Wednesday at 21:46 Author Share Posted Wednesday at 21:46 Sounds like a ploy to get Rice and Mainoo and Gallagher all into the same midfield. Wingbacks won’t seem so exciting when we are camped on the edge of our box defending a 1-0 lead and Kane and Bellingham are seventy yards upfield with nobody else anywhere near them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted Wednesday at 22:09 Share Posted Wednesday at 22:09 22 minutes ago, Rob1981 said: Sounds like a ploy to get Rice and Mainoo and Gallagher all into the same midfield. Wingbacks won’t seem so exciting when we are camped on the edge of our box defending a 1-0 lead and Kane and Bellingham are seventy yards upfield with nobody else anywhere near them. You weren't moaning when our 7-0-3 saw off Germany Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robson 07 Posted Wednesday at 22:27 Share Posted Wednesday at 22:27 On 02/07/2024 at 22:35, Baptista_8 said: I miss Maguire's passing through the lines as well. We've not seen anywhere near enough of that from anyone! Astonishing post that is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted Wednesday at 22:41 Share Posted Wednesday at 22:41 13 minutes ago, Robson 07 said: Astonishing post that is. He can pass through the lines Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robson 07 Posted Wednesday at 22:50 Share Posted Wednesday at 22:50 4 minutes ago, Baptista_8 said: He can pass through the lines Although not without a couple of qualities he's not really a miss; not particularly special at passing; and should honestly be considered as highly doubtful in his ability to have made England look better at this tournament. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted Thursday at 06:22 Share Posted Thursday at 06:22 7 hours ago, Robson 07 said: Although not without a couple of qualities he's not really a miss; not particularly special at passing; and should honestly be considered as highly doubtful in his ability to have made England look better at this tournament. Can't say I disagree, but I would like to see just one or two passes through the lines from us from someone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavelberry Posted Thursday at 07:13 Share Posted Thursday at 07:13 Really resisting the urge to compare Maguire to Rommel... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_fenton Posted Thursday at 07:24 Share Posted Thursday at 07:24 9 hours ago, Rob1981 said: Sounds like a ploy to get Rice and Mainoo and Gallagher all into the same midfield. Wingbacks won’t seem so exciting when we are camped on the edge of our box defending a 1-0 lead and Kane and Bellingham are seventy yards upfield with nobody else anywhere near them. Kane being 70 yards up field would be a start though I suppose - take what you can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted Thursday at 07:55 Share Posted Thursday at 07:55 40 minutes ago, Wavelberry said: Really resisting the urge to compare Maguire to Rommel... Wouldn't say he's that effective in North Africa... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VP. Posted Thursday at 14:52 Share Posted Thursday at 14:52 On 02/07/2024 at 22:35, Baptista_8 said: I miss Maguire's passing through the lines as well. We've not seen anywhere near enough of that from anyone! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted Thursday at 15:42 Share Posted Thursday at 15:42 Is Maguire that injured though? It didn't sound that serious, did we really need to take Dunk over him in a TWENTY SIX man squad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkSport Posted Thursday at 16:00 Share Posted Thursday at 16:00 Somehow worse injury than Shaw, seeing he’ll likely not playing again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted Thursday at 17:29 Share Posted Thursday at 17:29 Any news on Trippier? Looked like a bad one, but haven't read anything about whether or not he'll be available on Saturday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted Thursday at 18:36 Author Share Posted Thursday at 18:36 Trippier has been doing the normal training with everyone else I think. But ITV think we are changing it up completely: Mainoo in the middle as the sixpence. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted Thursday at 18:40 Share Posted Thursday at 18:40 3 minutes ago, Rob1981 said: Trippier has been doing the normal training with everyone else I think. But ITV think we are changing it up completely: Mainoo in the middle as the sixpence. I quite like that. Very brave of him though if so Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted Thursday at 18:43 Author Share Posted Thursday at 18:43 Win or bust now. If he doesn’t want to go out with the handbrake on, he might as well go out with a bold new system we’ve never tried before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amazing Dale Watkins Posted Thursday at 18:54 Share Posted Thursday at 18:54 No way is he going to change things up. He actually thinks this is working. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhikapp Posted Thursday at 18:54 Share Posted Thursday at 18:54 Southgate would rather play Saka at LWB than try Gordon at LW wtf. At least this seems to attempt solving the Foden cutting into the middle all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted Thursday at 18:55 Share Posted Thursday at 18:55 I like the idea of a switch up, but it's never happening to that sort of extent, surely?! It's Southgate - he'll be stressing over the possibility of making a single change, let alone a system overhaul. I'd love the Saka / TAA wingbacks system tbf, but don't really like the idea of yet another sacrifice (Saka) because the squad selection was wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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