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Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II passes away. 21st April 1926 - 8th September 2022.

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5 minutes ago, Lucas said:

Already talk that the coronation will be downscaled a lot, and I just can't see the same level of interest anywhere for either Charles or William when the time comes. 

Do they dare not call it a bank holiday? Or will they do the Coronation over a weekend? Either way, it sends the message that The Monarchy(TM) isn't all that special.

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Just now, leftback in the changing room said:

Do they dare not call it a bank holiday? Or will they do the Coronation over a weekend? Either way, it sends the message that The Monarchy(TM) isn't all that special.

There will be a bank holiday, I'd be very surprised if not. People will be expecting one, and would be a bit of an own goal if they chose to use an existing bank holiday or a weekend I think.

 

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21 minutes ago, Bagpuss said:

I would assume there may have been some get togeathers to watch it at one house out of a few house family plus there would be the question of how to factor in the pub watches and the official big screen tv and cinema people too albeit the later should really have a known number surely.

Multiple viewers per television and pubs are already taken into account in the viewing figures

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1 hour ago, leftback in the changing room said:

250,000 shuffling past in 100 hours of opening. That's around 3 Wembleys. I'll be honest, it doesn't sound like many.

I dunno if this is what you're suggesting, maybe I'm misreading, but you kinda make it sound like there wasn't much interest... There was a huge queue all the time, it's not like there were any quiet bits where no one was going in. The only way there could've been more than 250k was to extend the lying-in-state period or to make everyone run round it. (Which does make you wonder how they got to a 1m estimate).

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47 minutes ago, Rafalution said:

Multiple viewers per television and pubs are already taken into account in the viewing figures

BBC article seems to think pubs, streaming services, cinemas, outdoor screens etc aren't in the overnight numbers so they might be able to massage it over the Diana figure.

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They'll shove 10k on all the channels like that that weren't showing anything else then won't they, for numbers being too low to record.

10x Sports channels x2 for HD & SD

12x Movie channels x2 for HD & SD

about 20 of their regular channels all similar

That's about a million people Sky can magic out of thin air alone. 

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-62970523

 

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A man who tried to grab the flag draped over the Queen's coffin as she laid in state did not believe she was dead, a court has heard.

The prosecution claims Muhammad Khan wanted to look in the coffin to "check for himself" the Queen was there.

Mr Khan, 28, also allegedly planned go to royal residences to "try to make contact" with the monarch.

He was granted bail on condition he remains in a mental health hospital until his next court hearing.

Doctors assessed Mr Khan as not fit to take part in proceedings at Westminster Magistrates' Court, where he appeared charged with two offences under the Public Order Act.

The court heard he was suffering from delusions and the judge told him: "At the time when you were in Westminster you didn't accept that the Queen was dead and that was the reason you were moving towards the coffin to satisfy yourself that she was."

He added: "He is delusional still and thinks the Queen is not dead, thinks King Charles has something to do with it and may go to Windsor Castle to pay his respects, but also because he still thinks she is alive."

Prosecution lawyer Luke Staton, told the court Mr Khan had reached Westminster Hall when he was seen by officers to approach the coffin.

"He stepped off the carpet in the direction of the catafalque, then grabbed hold of the Royal Standard flag draped over the coffin with both of his hands," Mr Staton said.

The court heard Mr Khan was quickly detained, arrested and interviewed by police.

"The defendant did express the idea that the Queen is not dead and that he approached the coffin because he wanted to check for himself," said Mr Staton.

"He did say, prior to the state funeral, he was planning on going to the funeral.

"He planned to write to the Royal Family and if they did not reply he planned to go to Windsor Castle, Buckingham Palace and Balmoral to try to speak to the Queen."

The court heard Mr Khan said if he was unsuccessful that he "would have to trespass in order to try and make contact", and when asked how many times he would try, replied: "As long as I'm living."

Mr Khan was among about 250,000 people who filed through the hall between 17:00 Wednesday and early on Monday morning to pay their respects.

Hopefully he gets the help he needs and recovers. Shame on those on social media who used this incident to stir up islamophobia.

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35 minutes ago, titchuk said:

I dunno if this is what you're suggesting, maybe I'm misreading, but you kinda make it sound like there wasn't much interest... There was a huge queue all the time, it's not like there were any quiet bits where no one was going in. The only way there could've been more than 250k was to extend the lying-in-state period or to make everyone run round it. (Which does make you wonder how they got to a 1m estimate).

A bit of both, but more leaning to 'I was expecting more'; especially after the talk of 1 million people, or the stories of how many went to the Queen Mother's (which most definitely got a hugely inflated estimate of numbers). I expect that a lot of people might have queued for  4 or 5 hours but, you know, have lives that don't allow them to stand outside overnight or get dumped into central london at 3:00 am to try to get home to the shires.

As daft as it sounds, some kind of terraced walkway three levels high would have massively increased the number of people the site could handle at one time. There was room for it and them.

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32 minutes ago, leftback in the changing room said:

It was a war where a game of football threatened to break out. If anything, it's worth watching the footage Eddie McCreadie's, erm, attempted clearance/flying scissor kick at Billy Bremner's head.

A few years back they got Howard Webb, or Clattenburg or someone to “referee” the video tape and he’d have given 6 iirc red cards and 20 odd yellows, whereas at the time there was 1 booking over the 2 games.

Its a phenomenal watch really, the footballs good, but the violence and hatred  is just unbelievable 

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1 hour ago, SouthCoastRed said:

Midweek prime time viewing, plus proper hatred between the teams.

Still weird that two teams most neutrals would want to both lose playing a particularly dirty incarnation of an annual fixture that never gets near the most watched list got more views than a royal funeral we had a public holiday to watch and even Babestation was screening.

(I didn't watch either, but then I wasn't even an egg in 1970)

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7 minutes ago, Ackter said:

Im assuming the the first match was so horrible it made the replay a must watch

But we're talking more than half the population at the time, which means it's not just blokes whose love of a good fight lets them overcome their hatred of football in general or Leeds and Chelsea specifically, it's mums with their toddlers and posh pensioners. Hard to imagine they've decided to watch their first game since 1966 because they've heard Chopper Harris is up for giving Chelsea a proper kicking

Whatever was on ITV at the time must have been really ****

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16 minutes ago, enigmatic said:

But we're talking more than half the population at the time, which means it's not just blokes whose love of a good fight lets them overcome their hatred of football in general or Leeds and Chelsea specifically, it's mums with their toddlers and posh pensioners. Hard to imagine they've decided to watch their first game since 1966 because they've heard Chopper Harris is up for giving Chelsea a proper kicking

Whatever was on ITV at the time must have been really ****

We were just off to Mexico to defend the World Cup, they’d played this really early because of that (handily so Colombia could arrest Bobby Moore and screw us over), and football was huge news.
 

Plus live football on a Wednesday evening was unheard off, and add that to it was two of the best sides around, Leeds were in the running for everything, and Chelsea would win the Cup Winners Cup the next season, plus the hatred just made for a perfect storm I guess.

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12 hours ago, AK22 said:

Not really getting the fascination with the viewing figures. A lot of people watched it, a lot of people didn’t. Not sure there’s anything there to warrant any kind of narrative. 

There is definitely the push of a narrative of 'see how well loved she was' when all but one of the people i've spoken to who watched it have no love for the royals and only put it on due to its historical significance

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11 hours ago, enigmatic said:

But we're talking more than half the population at the time, which means it's not just blokes whose love of a good fight lets them overcome their hatred of football in general or Leeds and Chelsea specifically, it's mums with their toddlers and posh pensioners. Hard to imagine they've decided to watch their first game since 1966 because they've heard Chopper Harris is up for giving Chelsea a proper kicking

Whatever was on ITV at the time must have been really ****

It was on ITV too according to that wiki page. So it was that vs BBC2s offering. 

 

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17 minutes ago, Rafalution said:

It was on ITV too according to that wiki page. So it was that vs BBC2s offering. 

BBC2 29th April 1970

19:30 Newsroom - Reporting the world tonight Peter Woods and the reporters and correspondents, at home and abroad

20:00 Man Alive: The Catholic Dilemma: Part 2 - Sister Anita Caspary of California led her fellow sisters of the Order of the Immaculate Heart of Mary in a move for change. They dropped their habits and veils - and started an almighty row which ended in their leaving the Roman Catholic Church. Father Charles Davis became a Catholic cause celebre when he left his vocation and married. In Holland other priests are doing the same. The row about birth control, about the Latin Mass, and the problem of shrinking congregations and dwindling numbers in the priesthood splits the Catholic Church with debate: a debate concerned with the role of Catholicism in the 20th century, the position of the Pope, and the authority of the Vatican.

20:50 Canvas - Fan and collector Barry Humphries looks at the collection of works by largely forgotten artist Charles Edward Conder in the Queens Park Art Gallery in Manchester.

21:10 Europa: The World Through European Eyes - ZDF... ORTF... RAI... SRG... JRT... a bewildering variety of initials that to people living on the other side of the Channel means the television service of their own country.
They all contribute to Europa. For wherever there is a story the film crews of our television colleagues on the Continent are there reporting and commenting.

21:45 Show of the Week: Not Only... But Also... - Written by Peter Cook and Dudley Moore
Starring Peter Cook and Dudley Moore
with Nanette, The Dudley Moore Trio and guests

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1 hour ago, Heartwork said:

They really don't like people being upset with them over this do they

Thing is, they could have totally reported on it without needing press access anyway, plenty of footage to review and they could have been outside etc. 

What possible insight or advantage was there to going to some "platform around the back"?

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Not sure what exactly she’s spoken to lawyers about. It doesn’t seem that she’s likely to be sacked and I don’t recall any newspapers or media outlets making libellous or slanderous comments so unless she’s planning on suing the thousands of people having a pop on twitter I don’t see what legal advice she’s seeking. 

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