VP. Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 10 hours ago, ceefax the cat said: No foreign manager please. It should be all our own work I agree with this if they've never managed/worked in the country before but I've no problem with someone like Klopp who massively improved the football in this country from having the job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Klopp is a pipe dream surely. The moment he wants to go into international management it will be with Germany surely 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted July 16 Author Share Posted July 16 We aren’t getting Klopp Stop torturing yourselves. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lucas Posted July 16 Administrators Share Posted July 16 Pep then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 I'd give Pep a bigger chance then Klopp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 At least Pep doesn't need left backs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Pep will need quite a lot of training sessions to get Rice playing like Rodri Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Poch would be a disaster for England Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjg11 Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 If we get CL knockout stages Tuchel that could translate beautifully to major tournament football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titchuk Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Suspect it'll be Potter, he strikes me very much as an England (semi-final-achieving) manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 My concern with Potter, and I felt this back when he was super popular and everybody wanted him as England manager, is that he strikes me as a coach coach. Like a guy that works with players every day and molds them into his system/style. Not sure how he would do dropping in every now and then. Whereas Howe I think would translate to international football better. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1983 Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 @Rob1981 (Gareth) it was a pleasure hating on you all these years, hopefully we can continue our battles on club level. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 He's gone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Just need Ten Hag to have a bad start now. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 I was listening to a phone-in yesterday where people were wanting a "top class" manager in charge one of the guys said "we already had "top class" managers in Capello and Eriksson who failed". Can't disagree it has to be said, Southgate massively overachieved over so called better managers 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 And it's over. Bittersweet tbh. Yeah, I'm not a fan but at the end of the day I wish it could be stepping down because he brought home a trophy and leaving on a high. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 I think he's a legend but this is the right decision. 2 Euros and 2 World Cups and he had a shot at winning them all. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 The right decision. I'm glad it was on his terms then sacked (If ever likely) Southgate had good success and a good record but tactically naive which cost us. Hope we get the next appointment right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 I'm not convinced Eriksson was a top class manager (having seen him manage Man City), just a very high reputation one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 2 minutes ago, TM said: I was listening to a phone-in yesterday where people were wanting a "top class" manager in charge one of the guys said "we already had "top class" managers in Capello and Eriksson who failed". Can't disagree it has to be said, Southgate massively overachieved over so called better managers Capello was a bad fit. Eriksson was really good! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Farewell Gareth Yes, he probably wasn't quite good enough and this was probably one tournament too many but the memories I've had during his tenure will last forever. Watkins last minute. Colombia penatlies. Beating Germany. These are all all-time football moments for me. So thanks Gareth. Time to move on though, time for a fresh start 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titchuk Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Fair enough and not a surprise. Best manager we've had in my lifetime, by some way. Huge shame he couldn't get us over the line but has transformed how the country feels about the team in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Just now, Coulthard's Jaw said: Capello was a bad fit. Eriksson was really good! "failed" in reference to what Southgate did with England I think Capello just wasn't the right fit as said Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Thanks for everything Gareth New guy better be good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Meh. Good riddance to boring negative rubbish Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Bootador said: I'm not convinced Eriksson was a top class manager (having seen him manage Man City), just a very high reputation one. He was there 1 season and we won what 10 or 11 home games in a row and was sitting top of the league at one point then that crazy owner we had started interfering and the season nose dived Petrov, Elano, Ireland, Johnson, some of the best football we've ever seen Edited July 16 by Barry Cartman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 I don't want to bring up old arguments but Sven was quite an unlucky international manager. Had to deal with a lot of injuries to key players. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arenaross Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Poor Rob. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Just now, arenaross said: Poor Rob. What's he going to do now he's unemployed? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Just now, Barry Cartman said: He was there 1 season and we won what 10 or 11 home games in a row and was sitting top of the league at one point then that crazy owner we had started interfering and the season nose dived Petrov, Elano, Ireland, Johnson, some of the best football we've ever seen It was amazing football, but we couldn't win away... how much of it was down to the manager and how much of it was just vibes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 1 minute ago, Coulthard's Jaw said: I don't want to bring up old arguments but Sven was quite an unlucky international manager. Had to deal with a lot of injuries to key players. I'll repeat it again, for me 2004 England was easily the best England I've ever seen when it comes to both talent and style of play. Injuries and refereeing robbery are the reason that team didn't win it all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 1 minute ago, Coulthard's Jaw said: I don't want to bring up old arguments but Sven was quite an unlucky international manager. Had to deal with a lot of injuries to key players. Plus he failed to sort out an egotistical squad. I think Eriksson would have won something with this squad who are much more likeable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 2 minutes ago, Bootador said: It was amazing football, but we couldn't win away... how much of it was down to the manager and how much of it was just vibes. We beat Utd at OT ffs, that was the biggest dream you could have as a kid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Just now, Barry Cartman said: We beat Utd at OT ffs, that was the biggest dream you could have as a kid I'm not doubting that season with Sven was great fun, including the 8-1 Just saying I'm not sure he was all that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 End of an era. I’m glad he didn’t drag it out and I’m also respectful for what Southgate did off the pitch with the England side. Whoever takes over will be building on a legacy Gareth created. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Just now, Bootador said: I'm not doubting that season with Sven was great fun, including the 8-1 Just saying I'm not sure he was all that. He absolutely was before the England job. Also, who knows what would've happened with this generation if Big Sam was allowed to take over. Would've surely won at least one with proper football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 (edited) 15 minutes ago, TM said: I was listening to a phone-in yesterday where people were wanting a "top class" manager in charge one of the guys said "we already had "top class" managers in Capello and Eriksson who failed". Can't disagree it has to be said, Southgate massively overachieved over so called better managers I don't think it's as simple as "top class" managers all being one similar group, identify what you need and ideally get the best guy who fits that. Di Matteo once won a CL but I wouldn't be looking at similar managers for a club with CL title aspirations. Gareth had 3 attempts where there was a squad realistically capable of winning, and we weren't embarrassed by the big sides we lost to, but we never had a deserved win against a top side either imo. Not that it's easy but I think it is possible to have a manager of this England do more than hang in there and hope for the best. But one penalty shootout goes the other way and we'd have won a trophy/got knocked out in R16 by Colombia Edited July 16 by The_jagster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said: He was there 1 season and we won what 10 or 11 home games in a row and was sitting top of the league at one point then that crazy owner we had started interfering and the season nose dived Petrov, Elano, Ireland, Johnson, some of the best football we've ever seen Careful, you're ruining your narrative that City were complete ***** when the new owners took over Edited July 16 by The_jagster 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Come on Pep....you know you want the job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Blimey the Welsh leader has resigned too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titchuk Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Quite a striking statistic from the FA: in the 25 tournaments between 1966 and him taking over we won 7 knockout games, in the 4 tournaments he was in charge of we won 9 (yes I know there were fewer knockout games in the past, but still) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Was hoping he stayed. Specialist in failure. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Just now, titchuk said: Quite a striking statistic from the FA: in the 25 tournaments between 1966 and him taking over we won 7 knockout games, in the 4 tournaments he was in charge of we won 9 (yes I know there were fewer knockout games in the past, but still) Even ignoring the increase in knockout games, he's won 3 quarter finals and 2 semi finals which puts him up there with most international managers in history. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aiston Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Good to see it happen quickly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 3 minutes ago, EnterUsernameHere said: Specialist in failure. That’s just England since… forever, really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Was always going to happen. It was ultimately a really strange final tournament from him, we should have gone out in the 2nd round, which would have been a fairer reflection on how we performed overall. Hope he now gets a huge Spotify sponsorship and launches a leadership podcast. He's probably the greatest leader the world has ever seen since Napolean, just a shame he didn't have much of a clue about the actual football side of things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Southgate already being linked with USA job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eenie Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 1 hour ago, Coulthard's Jaw said: He's gone SouthGONE? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted July 16 Author Share Posted July 16 31 minutes ago, InigoPatinkin said: The right decision. He's been comfortably the best England manager of the last 50 years and completely reframed how England players view and interact with the national team. There genuinely seems to be an enjoyment and pride in playing for England now that there didn't used to be back in the 00's. That progress and the results he achieved cannot be understated. Going into tournaments with the expectation we'll do well isn't something I expected to feel after growing up through the 90's and 00's. That said, the players England produce have outgrown Southgate and he's not the man to coach players like Saka, Bellingham, Foden, Palmer etc. That's a testament to the success of England's player development over the last 10-15 years and I'm sure England's international success has played a part in that, but they need a different approach now. Whatever debt he felt he owed England after 1996 has been well and truly paid multiple times over though, he can be very proud of what he's done for his country. I feel like I should make some kind of big closing speech, but I can't possibly improve on this I am genuinely quite emotional. But it is the right time. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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