mark1985 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 33 minutes ago, oche balboa said: Or people like Tradition. Everyone knows that royalty have a lot of wealth and most people (In my experience) are ok with it. A lot of people aren’t though are they? Or at least ambivalent towards it or just don’t think about it. Do you think it’s fair that they have that much money? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Wakeford Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 26 minutes ago, Mahzun_Savas said: Is the monarchy doing any harm? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Andrew,_Duke_of_York 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 9 minutes ago, G-Man11 said: So much of what people consider tradition is often not really that old either. The whole ceremony and aura around the British monarchy only really been around about 150 years. It was very much something that developed in the Victorian era. Yeah if Blackadder the Third is anything to go by, people HATED George IV, who is described in his party newsheet as "a great moral and spiritual leader of the nation", but is described by almost everyone else as "a fat, flatulent git". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahzun_Savas Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, Glenn Wakeford said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Andrew,_Duke_of_York That does not really have much to do with the monarchy and its position in society Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Mahzun_Savas said: That does not really have much to do with the monarchy and its position in society Of course it does. He's protected because of who he is. Edited May 11, 2022 by ginnybob 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tikka Mezzala Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 29 minutes ago, Mahzun_Savas said: Is the monarchy doing any harm? Setting aside things like this, The Antigua and Barbuda Reparations Support Commission summed it up well in their recent open letter to the visiting representatives of the Monarchy: Quote "The British Royal Family continue to live in splendour, pomp and wealth attained through the proceeds of the crimes. “We know that the British Crown, both as royal family and as institution, is historically documented as an active participant in the largest crimes against humanity of all time,” They symbolise a racialised and class-privileged social order. They aren't apolitical either. We also have the case of Prince Andrew, who has surely damaged people's faith in the concept of justice. The royals also have a long history of barbarism when it comes to animals. The list goes on... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crispypaul Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 hour ago, mark1985 said: A lot of people aren’t though are they? Or at least ambivalent towards it or just don’t think about it. Do you think it’s fair that they have that much money? Fairness is highly subjective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1985 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, Crispypaul said: Fairness is highly subjective. Very true. In this case, do you think it’s fair that the royal family are so wealthy? If so, why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahzun_Savas Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 22 minutes ago, mark1985 said: Very true. In this case, do you think it’s fair that the royal family are so wealthy? If so, why? It is probably not fair but the alternative to the monarchy will probably be rich. Will that be any fairer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1985 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Mahzun_Savas said: It is probably not fair but the alternative to the monarchy will probably be rich. Will that be any fairer? It’s the inherited wealth that I (and many others) have a problem with. If you work hard, pay all your taxes etc etc etc most people are fine if you earn decent money. They are rich literally because of who their family is (yes, I know this applies to many other non royal families too). Many people get a little money when family members die but very few of us get even more access to obscene wealth, a few more palaces and to be head of state when a parent dies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
profii Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I'm indifferent to the monarchy. I think it's all a bit silly but I don't care enough to advocate that we end it. I think my concern would be if we were ending the monarchy then you would have to consider the government - whilst the Queen doesn't get involved, she is essentially the boss, take that away and there is a void that needs to be filled, that would give MPs to rewrite how things work and they would surely take the opportunity to try and seize additional powers. That would be bad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cilldara_2000 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 8 hours ago, Mahzun_Savas said: Is the monarchy doing any harm? Yes. The central idea that it's ok for someone to be born into the top job is fundamentally opposed to any ideas of fairness, egalitarianism and meritocracy. Consider also how much land in Britain that the monarchy and their various hangers on in the aristocracy own. These people were born into wealth based on land stolen from other people because their ancestors were essentially the most brutal warlords around. 6 hours ago, Mahzun_Savas said: It is probably not fair but the alternative to the monarchy will probably be rich. Will that be any fairer? Pure nonsense. Plenty of countries have elected heads of state who are no different to anyone else. Also, plenty of these heads of states are purely figureheads just like the British queen. So no idea what this is supposed to mean: 8 hours ago, oche balboa said: Imagine having a President system in the UK. What exactly is "a President system"? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Couple of stories knocking about tonight that she won't be at the jubilee celebrations. Fair few people on social media seem to think London Bridge is already down and will be announced after the jubilee. Interested to know if people think they could keep that quiet, and also if they would? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted May 11, 2022 Author Share Posted May 11, 2022 There is not a single chance at all of them keeping something like that quiet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Should have clarified that the majority who seem to think she is already dead also believe that there were microchips in the vaccine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 10 hours ago, Junkhead said: Couple of stories knocking about tonight that she won't be at the jubilee celebrations. Fair few people on social media seem to think London Bridge is already down and will be announced after the jubilee. Interested to know if people think they could keep that quiet, and also if they would? Very unlikely. Its not in anyone's interest to keep it quiet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 It's not in their interests which is why there is no recent history whatsoever of the exact status of the Royals' health being couched in very vague and euphemistic terms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 I think it's a bit different with the Queen, people are being given an extra day off - if she's dead they want that back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 We get 10 days of "mourning" if the queen dies right? I reckon she'll outlive us all anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 10 minutes ago, Bliss Seeker said: We get 10 days of "mourning" if the queen dies right? I reckon she'll outlive us all anyway. Number of mourning days is to be decided as far as I know, we'll probably get a Sunday off, but we sure as hell aint getting a celebration and a mourning if she's already gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavelberry Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 I am convinced she's been dead for a while or at least terminal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 Doubt they're cancelling a bank holiday this close whatever happens. Might be a joint mourning/celebration of her life day instead... Should be extra BHs anyway. We're screwed over in this country for public holidays as it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
profii Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 The Queen is hanging on for the jubilee because she knows we get a day off for that and then when she finally does go, we will get more days off She's doing it for us, I take it back, my indifference has moved to I guess she is alright after all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc91 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 Just give us the days off already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdBed Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 I'd think transfer of power (an the inherent instability that comes with it) is too important for the status of a BH to factor into a conversation of when to announce her passing. To not announce it within hours would have significant ramifications both domestically and internationally, so there would have to be a very serious reason to hold back from telling us loyal subjects. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 1 hour ago, EdBed said: I'd think transfer of power (an the inherent instability that comes with it) is too important for the status of a BH to factor into a conversation of when to announce her passing. To not announce it within hours would have significant ramifications both domestically and internationally, so there would have to be a very serious reason to hold back from telling us loyal subjects. This assumes that the relevant people don't already know, although I appreciate that at this point I am treading the fine line between believing that the odd secret is kept from us all Vs full on tin foil hat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahzun_Savas Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 I don't think the Queen is anywhere near death, she is having difficulty walking and does not want to use a wheelchair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1985 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Mahzun_Savas said: I don't think the Queen is anywhere near death To be fair she is 96 mate. No matter how good your genes are or what kind of life you’ve had, that’s a good innings in anyones books. So any kind of physical downturn at that age will raise concerns Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahzun_Savas Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 1 minute ago, mark1985 said: To be fair she is 96 mate. No matter how good your genes are or what kind of life you’ve had, that’s a good innings in anyones books. So any kind of physical downturn at that age will raise concerns Yes, she is 96 and it is really showing. She did very well through her 80s and early 90s for her age, but now it has caught up with her. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandy Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 (edited) I wonder who is doing better in their mid-90’s, the Queen or @SouthCoastRed .. Edited May 12, 2022 by Gandy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastRed Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, Gandy said: I wonder who is doing better in their mid-90’s, the Queen or @SouthCoastRed .. I’m running rings round the broken old bag 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Neil Brock Posted May 13, 2022 Administrators Share Posted May 13, 2022 She's back! - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61437148 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 Ha! In your faces! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahzun_Savas Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 She attended an event where she did not have to get out of the car so her mobility issue were not exposed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 althooooooughh looks she stayed in her car. Hmmmm, you know.. nah forget it. Buuuuuuuuttt..... The fact she stayed in the car... hmmmm...... It's crazy, but there is plenty of room underneath that door for a master puppeteer to work in. Just saying. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Bacon Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 On 12/05/2022 at 09:11, Bliss Seeker said: We get 10 days of "mourning" if the queen dies right? I reckon she'll outlive us all anyway. And i have to leave work within an hour of the announcement. Hoping its announced on a Friday so i can mourn over a pint Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Paul Bacon said: And i have to leave work within an hour of the announcement. Hoping its announced on a Friday so i can mourn over a pint Pubs will be forced to close. You will either have to mourn silently at home in front a huge portrait of our fallen god, or in mass hysteria outside Buckenham palace. Edited May 13, 2022 by Bliss Seeker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 Just photos and no videos. Could be staged cardboard cutouts. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 Classic body double Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftback in the changing room Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 For goodness sake your maj, nobody would care if you turn up at these events in a wheelchair. If anything it'll enhance your reputation. Well there are those that would care, and there's a slightly increased risk of Charles wheeling you in front of an oncoming truck, but you've lived with that possibility for 50 years so far. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 20 minutes ago, Bliss Seeker said: pffft they didn't even bother using the same shade of skin colour for the cheeks and chin area, its clearly a puppet with a moving mouth 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastRed Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 24 minutes ago, Bliss Seeker said: The fact she stayed in the car... hmmmm...... It's crazy, but there is plenty of room underneath that door for a master puppeteer to work in Jim Henson and Frank Oz, joint knighthoods for services to the realm 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahzun_Savas Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 17 minutes ago, leftback in the changing room said: For goodness sake your maj, nobody would care if you turn up at these events in a wheelchair. If anything it'll enhance your reputation. Well there are those that would care, and there's a slightly increased risk of Charles wheeling you in front of an oncoming truck, but you've lived with that possibility for 50 years so far. I agree, there is no shame in having to use a wheelchair. Anyone who woould criticizes the Queen for using a wheelchair is a piece of **** 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 Refusing to be seen in public in a wheelchair is just ****ing weird tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthahols_for_Girls Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Coulthard's Jaw said: Refusing to be seen in public in a wheelchair is just ****ing weird tbh Elderly ladies can be temperamental and stubborn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Golden boy Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 44 minutes ago, Bliss Seeker said: althooooooughh looks she stayed in her car. Hmmmm, you know.. nah forget it. Buuuuuuuuttt..... The fact she stayed in the car... hmmmm...... It's crazy, but there is plenty of room underneath that door for a master puppeteer to work in. Just saying. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 Maybe she’s gone full Davros? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 maybe she just couldn't be bothered opening the kindergarten that is parliament, and was saving her energy for hobbies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1985 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, scott MUFC said: maybe she just couldn't be bothered opening the kindergarten that is parliament, and was saving her energy for hobbies ‘No way is one reading out this bobbins again. Get ones son to do it. No not the paedo, the one who talks to flowers’ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 All very weird if she just stayed in the car because she didn't want to be seen in a wheelchair. She looks well though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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